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Unlike other afflictions, multiple doses of the same poison stack (see FAQ for additional information.) Poisons delivered by injury and contact cannot inflict more than one dose of poison at a time, but inhaled and ingested poisons can inflict multiple doses at once. Each additional dose extends the total duration of the poison (as noted under frequency) by half its total duration. In addition, each dose of poison increases the DC to resist the poison by +2. This increase is cumulative. Multiple doses do not alter the cure conditions of the poison, and meeting these conditions ends the affliction for all the doses. For example, a character is bit three times in the same round by a trio of Medium monstrous spiders, injecting him with three doses of Medium spider venom. The unfortunate character must make a DC 18 Fortitude save for the next 8 rounds. Fortunately, just one successful save cures the character of all three doses of the poison.
Ok the two bolded lines above contradict each other. On one hand it says you cannot inflict multiple doses with injury (or contact) poison and then it gives an example of just that with 3 medium monstrous spiders who use injury poison. So which one is correct or am I reading it wrong?
ReeboP.S. the FAQ on the same page doesn't clarify this either.
Unlike other afflictions, multiple doses of the same poison stack (see FAQ for additional information.) Poisons delivered by injury and contact cannot inflict more than one dose of poison at a time, but inhaled and ingested poisons can inflict multiple doses at once. Each additional dose extends the total duration of the poison (as noted under frequency) by half its total duration. In addition, each dose of poison increases the DC to resist the poison by +2. This increase is cumulative. Multiple doses do not alter the cure conditions of the poison, and meeting these conditions ends the affliction for all the doses. For example, a character is bit three times in the same round by a trio of Medium monstrous spiders, injecting him with three doses of Medium spider venom. The unfortunate character must make a DC 18 Fortitude save for the next 8 rounds. Fortunately, just one successful save cures the character of all three doses of the poison.Ok the two bolded lines above contradict each other. On one hand it says you cannot inflict multiple doses with injury (or contact) poison and then it gives an example of just that with 3 medium monstrous spiders who use injury poison. So which one is correct or am I reading it wrong?
Reebo
P.S. the FAQ on the same page doesn't clarify this either.
The difference is the source. The SAME instance of poison cannot work in the same round (without something special)....but in this case, there are 3 different sources of the poison...aka 3 different monsters.
That is the difference.
It's hard to say what "Poisons delivered by injury and contact cannot inflict more than one dose of poison at a time" - there is no clarification of what bold part actually means as "at a time" is not specific game mechanic term and can be interpreted freely.
If "one dose of poison at a time" refers to the same turn then multiple attacks of the same creature in the same turn would not deliver multiple doses of the poison. The example gives us attacks of multiple creatures - because each creature acts in its own turn, even if they happen on the same initiative count, they happen in different turns and thus they can stack. At least that would be my very initial interpretation.
Which incidentally would mean that Two Weapon Fighting Assassins would benefit from using different poisons on each weapon instead of two same poisons.
EDIT: Damn those poison-using ninjas! ;)
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If "one dose of poison at a time" refers to the same turn then multiple attacks of the same creature in the same turn would not deliver multiple doses of the poison. The example gives us attacks of multiple creatures - because each creature acts in its own turn, even if they happen on the same initiative count, they happen in different turns and thus they can stack. At least that would be my very initial interpretation.
Which incidentally would mean that Two Weapon Fighting Assassins would benefit from using different poisons on each weapon instead of two same poisons.
I disagree with your interpretation.
I read it as one attack deals one dose of poison. Inhaled or ingested poisons can deal multiple doses at once. Like a gas jet shooting 3 doses worth of inhaled poison for longer duration and higher save, or applying multiple doses of an ingested poison to someone's drink. Touch or injury poisons can only deal one dose per hit, but multiple hits can stack.
The two bolded sections of the original post do not contradict each other. The poisons stack, but inhaled or ingested poisons can deliver multiple doses simultaneously, whereas injury or contact poisons can only deliver one dose at a time (per hit).
Fair enough. So a ninja with 2 weapon fighting and 2 poisoned weapons can deal up to 2 doses per round? But the same ninja with multiple attacks due to high BAB and 1 poisoned weapon could not?
What about a spider affected by haste or a one with a high BAB and multiple bite attacks?
I read it as one attack deals one dose of poison. Inhaled or ingested poisons can deal multiple doses at once. Like a gas jet shooting 3 doses worth of inhaled poison for longer duration and higher save, or applying multiple doses of an ingested poison to someone's drink. Touch or injury poisons can only deal one dose per hit, but multiple hits can stack.
I don't recall any occurance of ability that would deliver more than one dose of inhaled posion at once. Have you found any?
The two bolded sections of the original post do not contradict each other. The poisons stack, but inhaled or ingested poisons can deliver multiple doses simultaneously, whereas injury or contact poisons can only deliver one dose at a time (per hit).
You know, I haven't thought of it this way. It seems sensible that you can stuff the a piece of meat of cup of wine with multiple doses of ingested poison to make it more deadly but regardless of how much poison you put on your knife you deliver single dose per hit.
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Fair enough. So a ninja with 2 weapon fighting and 2 poisoned weapons can deal up to 2 doses per round? But the same ninja with multiple attacks due to high BAB and 1 poisoned weapon could not?
If the ninja has some way of applying poison after the first dose he can inflict multiple doses with the same weapon.
An alchemist with sticky poison (The poison lingers on the blade for multple rounds) can inflict poison damage with a weapon 2-3+ times so long as there is poison on the blade.
Essentially with injury poison you inflict one dose each time you hit with a poisoned weapon.
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Unlike other afflictions, multiple doses of the same poison stack (see FAQ for additional information.) Poisons delivered by injury and contact cannot inflict more than one dose of poison at a time, but inhaled and ingested poisons can inflict multiple doses at once. Each additional dose extends the total duration of the poison (as noted under frequency) by half its total duration. In addition, each dose of poison increases the DC to resist the poison by +2. This increase is cumulative. Multiple doses do not alter the cure conditions of the poison, and meeting these conditions ends the affliction for all the doses. For example, a character is bit three times in the same round by a trio of Medium monstrous spiders, injecting him with three doses of Medium spider venom. The unfortunate character must make a DC 18 Fortitude save for the next 8 rounds. Fortunately, just one successful save cures the character of all three doses of the poison.Ok the two bolded lines above contradict each other. On one hand it says you cannot inflict multiple doses with injury (or contact) poison and then it gives an example of just that with 3 medium monstrous spiders who use injury poison. So which one is correct or am I reading it wrong?
Reebo
P.S. the FAQ on the same page doesn't clarify this either.
There's no contradiction at all. You are simply misunderstanding what it says.
The first line you bolded means that you cannot be targeted by those poisons at the same time.
The second line you bolded refers to having multiple doses in your system, AFTER you have been targeted.
In other words, you can take 5 hits from a sword in which someone applied 5 doses of poison (one dose every other round) and have 5 instances of poison in your system (which means you will be facing a killer duration and monstrous DCs).
However, you cannot put 5 doses of poison on a sword and expect to deliver all 5 at the same time (that is, in the same attack).
That's what it's getting at. No contradiction.
I believe the first bold line was referring to you putting two or more doses of the same poison on the same weapon at once. ie Two doses of medium spider venom on your dagger, but Ingested poison can have six doses dumped in to your soup. Same is true for contact I believe, you can put a leather glove on and pout six doses of black lotus extract and just high five 6 doses to the town guard captain. Hope this helps.
Also second bold line is about bein g effected by the same poison after being stabbed with the same poison once, then twice, then thrice and so on.
EDIT: Guess i should of read through the above posts
I believe the first bold line was referring to you putting two or more doses of the same poison on the same weapon at once. ie Two doses of medium spider venom on your dagger, but Ingested poison can have six doses dumped in to your soup. Same is true for contact I believe, you can put a leather glove on and pout six doses of black lotus extract and just high five 6 doses to the town guard captain. Hope this helps.
Also second bold line is about bein g effected by the same poison after being stabbed with the same poison once, then twice, then thrice and so on.
EDIT: Guess i should of read through the above posts
You cannot hit someone with multiple contact poisons with a single high-five or swing of the sword. You cannot put multiple such doses on a doorknob and hope they all work simultaneously (well, you could I suppose, but the victim would only get 1 dose and the rest would be wasted).
Otherwise you seem correct.