swallow whole + damage reduction + fast healing / regeneration


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i could not find it. neither in books nor online.

how do those interact?
somethings gets swallow wholed.
to cut itself out - does the damage reduction aply?
how does the dealt damage interact with fast herling/regeneration?
does it only heal 1/10 of the damage delt, to cut yourself out? does it heal the full amount to that number?
does it heal at all?

and don't say it doesnt exist. it does. the tarrasque is just the most famous example.
how do these 3 interact?

thank you

Grand Lodge

Answering in order

1. yes

2. the same way with any other damage, there is no difference whether you're cutting from inside or out.

In some cases it won't matter, as you'll simply be killed instantly after being swallwowed.


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for the fast healing part.
there is a creature with imaginary 500 hp
so swallow whole would need 50 damage to cut out.
the creature also has fast healing 20 and damage reduction 10/-

im inside and try to cut myself out
i deal 40 points of damage with my +5 swallow whole bane, i want to get out of here Dagger
damage reduction aplies.

damage redtuction aplies. i cut myself out for 30/50 and also deal the damage to the creature 470/500

feast healing comes.
does the creature now have 490/500hp and i cut myself out for 10/50

or does it have 490/500 hp and im still cut out 30/50

or does fast healing apply in teh 1/10 fraction and i'm cut out 32/50

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Winterschuh wrote:

for the fast healing part.

there is a creature with imaginary 500 hp
so swallow whole would need 50 damage to cut out.
the creature also has fast healing 20 and damage reduction 10/-

im inside and try to cut myself out
i deal 40 points of damage with my [/i]+5 swallow whole bane, i want to get out of here Dagger[/i]
damage reduction aplies.

damage redtuction aplies. i cut myself out for 30/50 and also deal the damage to the creature 470/500

feast healing comes.
does the creature now have 490/500hp and i cut myself out for 10/50

or does it have 490/500 hp and im still cut out 30/50

or does fast healing apply in teh 1/10 fraction and i'm cut out 32/50

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Ooh, good one. Never thought about it. It's probably the only situation where the concept of abstract HP becomes a nuisance.

I'd say Fast Healing applyes in the fraction.


I don't think the regeneration helps, it heals the creature from 470 to 490 hp but you've done 30 damage and they stay. Healing gives hp back, but doesn't change the past, only the future.

So my interpretation is that regeneration only helps the creature to swallow whole again (because it has to heal that amount to reuse ability) but as you do your 30 damage (damage reduction applies as you try to do damage to the creature) you try to keep the hole you've cut open until you can get trough with the next slice.

Anyhow you are on very houserule friendly territory.
As you land back in the attackers mouth after you've "escaped", if the regeneration matches your damage it can instantly try to swallow you whole again, so that's bad enough.


This has only come up once in my games. At the time, I ruled that Fast Healing does not count against the damage needed to cut your way out, but it does count toward healing the damage so it can swallow again. Kinda like the hole healed behind you as your cutting your way out.

Also, only if you escape the grapple via escape artist or a grapple check do you end up in the creature's mouth. The rules don't specify where you end up if you cut your way out. I always put the creature in an adjacent space.


The rules do say it in fact. If you cut your way out you end up adjacent to the swallower.

Also, the monster doesn't need to heal at all to swallow again.

Swallow Whole wrote:
Once you cut your way out, muscular action closes the hole. Any other swallowed creatures must make their own holes to escape.


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Darigaaz the Igniter wrote:

The rules do say it in fact. If you cut your way out you end up adjacent to the swallower.

Also, the monster doesn't need to heal at all to swallow again.

Swallow Whole wrote:
Once you cut your way out, muscular action closes the hole. Any other swallowed creatures must make their own holes to escape.

Is that 3.5 stuff?

PRD clearly sais
If a swallowed creature cuts its way out, the swallowing creature cannot use swallow whole again until the damage is healed.

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