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Nice slogan.

That is so full of awesome...

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One thing Obama makes clear is what many of us have known for decades - there is practically no difference between democrat and republican politicians, federal government becomes less trustworthy the bigger it gets, and, in politicss, "social justice" is just a ten dollar word to describe a reach-around.

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Darkwing Duck wrote:
One thing Obama makes clear is what many of us have known for decades - there is practically no difference between democrat and republican politicians, federal government becomes less trustworthy the bigger it gets, and, in politicss, "social justice" is just a ten dollar word to describe a reach-around.

I'm glad more people are getting this. Been saying this just about my whole politically aware life.


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in politicss, "social justice" is just a ten dollar word to describe a reach-around.

Yes. That's the point of the democratic party. At least this way its a marginally reciprocal action rather than just taking it with nothing in return.


houstonderek wrote:
Darkwing Duck wrote:
One thing Obama makes clear is what many of us have known for decades - there is practically no difference between democrat and republican politicians, federal government becomes less trustworthy the bigger it gets, and, in politicss, "social justice" is just a ten dollar word to describe a reach-around.
I'm glad more people are getting this. Been saying this just about my whole politically aware life.

Been saying the first part since I was 15.

The second part I'd word differently. But, yeah, I don't trust the government.

Third part disagree with, but when those words are coming out of the mouth of some limousine liberal Democrat, then, yeah, prepare to get f*#$ed.


Clashes in Tahrir Square

Police come in with rubber bullets and tear gas, and then it looks like everyone is throwing stones. 11 dead, and hundreds injured.

I hope we get a little progress out of our own protests, because we are a lot closer to having scenes like this in the US then most people think. If things go a few more years, I worry we will pass the point to no return in more ways then we already have.

Be safe Tahrir Square, and put on some damn helmets if you are going to be in the middle of a rock fight!


President Obama needs a spine transplant.

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houstonderek wrote:


Second thing: the Taliban =/= The Mujahideen. Some Mujahideen joined the Taliban when it took power, but the movement itself formed in Pakistan amongst fundamentalist islamic students ("Taliban" means "student" in Arabic), most of whom never fought against the Soviets.

Small quibble, but just wanted to keep the historical accuracy.

I can only imagine that the situation in Afghanistan/Pakistan would be very different if Ahmed Shah Massoud had survived to provide some semblance of a unifying leadership there. Would have been a counterweight against the ISI (or elements thereof) backed Taliban under Omar certainly.

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Fergie wrote:

Clashes in Tahrir Square

Police come in with rubber bullets and tear gas, and then it looks like everyone is throwing stones. 11 dead, and hundreds injured.

I hope we get a little progress out of our own protests, because we are a lot closer to having scenes like this in the US then most people think. If things go a few more years, I worry we will pass the point to no return in more ways then we already have.

Be safe Tahrir Square, and put on some damn helmets if you are going to be in the middle of a rock fight!

The recent Tahrir clashes seem to be something altogether different from the original ones however, since it's fresh on the heels of a massive demonstration in Cairo populated by supporters of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood and also some Salafist elements as well. Time will tell if it's a simple push against a military trying to retain its Mubarak era powers or if it's the start of another Iranian revolution (where Islamist elements seized power from and then obliterated an original student movement towards democracy).

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bugleyman wrote:
President Obama needs a spine transplant.

Your making the assumption that the cypher had any principles to start with.


Just to set the scene: I'm not living in the US; but being in Africa our local economy shakes and breaks heavily with any small hiccup in the US economy.

This does not reflect my opinion on actions in any way: but consider for a moment what might be happening if the US did not so pro-actively engage in its international policies to secure cheap oil for itself. As a consequence now imagine what would happen if the average cost for fuel in the US were double its current cost - along with the associated civil unrest and dystopia.

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houstonderek wrote:
bugleyman wrote:
President Obama needs a spine transplant.
Your making the assumption that the cypher had any principles to start with.

"You're", sorry.


LoreKeeper wrote:

Just to set the scene: I'm not living in the US; but being in Africa our local economy shakes and breaks heavily with any small hiccup in the US economy.

This does not reflect my opinion on actions in any way: but consider for a moment what might be happening if the US did not so pro-actively engage in its international policies to secure cheap oil for itself. As a consequence now imagine what would happen if the average cost for fuel in the US were double its current cost - along with the associated civil unrest and dystopia.

If you do not have problem with US invading other countries, destroying thousands of lives, creating thousans of enemies, thats fine, you have your ideal clear... but if you support that kind of behavior I hope you do not say that US goverment is a democratic one.

There is no excuse for most of the US goverment behavior, in regard to the oil, you have great universities, and are technological advance, US should had become a non oil dependet country deacades ago.


Yeah -but where's the money in that?

Nicos wrote:
LoreKeeper wrote:

Just to set the scene: I'm not living in the US; but being in Africa our local economy shakes and breaks heavily with any small hiccup in the US economy.

This does not reflect my opinion on actions in any way: but consider for a moment what might be happening if the US did not so pro-actively engage in its international policies to secure cheap oil for itself. As a consequence now imagine what would happen if the average cost for fuel in the US were double its current cost - along with the associated civil unrest and dystopia.

If you do not have problem with US invading other countries, destroying thousands of lives, creating thousans of enemies, thats fine, you have your ideal clear... but if you support that kind of behavior I hope you do not say that US goverment is a democratic one.

There is no excuse for most of the US goverment behavior, in regard to the oil, you have great universities, and are technological advance, US should had become a non oil dependet country deacades ago.


LoreKeeper wrote:

Just to set the scene: I'm not living in the US; but being in Africa our local economy shakes and breaks heavily with any small hiccup in the US economy.

This does not reflect my opinion on actions in any way: but consider for a moment what might be happening if the US did not so pro-actively engage in its international policies to secure cheap oil for itself. As a consequence now imagine what would happen if the average cost for fuel in the US were double its current cost - along with the associated civil unrest and dystopia.

Nicos wrote:

If you do not have problem with US invading other countries, destroying thousands of lives, creating thousans of enemies, thats fine, you have your ideal clear... but if you support that kind of behavior I hope you do not say that US goverment is a democratic one.

There is no excuse for most of the US goverment behavior, in regard to the oil, you have great universities, and are technological advance, US should had become a non oil dependet country deacades ago.

No worries, as I said: "this does not reflect my opinion on actions" - that means that I try to not inflect what I wrote with personal bias. Whether I approve or disapprove of any given action, US, Arab or otherwise, is not on the table.

I'm in South Africa. Having a history of Apartheid here, which meant significant trade embargoes in the past, the South African government has long ago made the technological breakthrough to convert coal to oil. This is an example of how to be somewhat independent of oil reserves; but the costs involved is significant - but not so prohibitive that it cannot be done on a large scale. It cannot compete with the barrel costs of oil; but with escalating costs this becomes a more and more viable approach.

Naturally it does not solve the problem of limited natural resources; but it pushes the nett boundary a couple of decades forward. Perhaps enough to find a good viable alternative.

For me, the root of the problem is that politics is geared to make the smallest set of people the largest set of money. Corporate interests and lobbies dictate high profit margins with almost no regard to giving the greatest amount of people well paying jobs with meaningful job security.


LoreKeeper wrote:


I'm in South Africa. Having a history of Apartheid here, which meant significant trade embargoes in the past, the South African government has long ago made the technological breakthrough to convert coal to oil. This is an example of how to be somewhat independent of oil reserves; but the costs involved is significant - but not so prohibitive that it cannot be done on a large scale. It cannot compete with the barrel costs of oil; but with escalating costs this becomes a more and more viable approach.

Naturally it does not solve the problem of limited natural resources; but it pushes the nett boundary a couple of decades forward. Perhaps enough to find a good viable alternative.

Coal to oil also solves none of the environmental issues. Coal is as bad in terms of carbon emissions and often worse for other particulate emissions. Strip mining or mountaintop removal, is devastating to the local environment.

So yes, coal can make you less dependent on foreign energy, but doesn't solve the other problems inherent in fossil fuels.


houstonderek wrote:
houstonderek wrote:
bugleyman wrote:
President Obama needs a spine transplant.
Your making the assumption that the cypher had any principles to start with.
"You're", sorry.

I see that my reputation for grammar douchery precedes me. Excellent. :P

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bugleyman wrote:
houstonderek wrote:
houstonderek wrote:
bugleyman wrote:
President Obama needs a spine transplant.
Your making the assumption that the cypher had any principles to start with.
"You're", sorry.
I see that my reputation for grammar douchery precedes me. Excellent. :P

:0)

I had just woken up when I typed the original, and it was too late to edit by the time I noticed the error!

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