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Is it possible or has it been updated anywhere (as a variant rule in a book) about the Magus or any of it's archtypes revolving around the Sorc style over the Wizard? Using Charisma over Int and using limited spells over a spell book?
(If it hasn't been focused on in a book at any point then I suppose this is more of a conversion question and should be moved, I just don't know is all)
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As of this date, there is nothing allowing you to play a spontaneous spellcasting Magus.
However, I'm strongly considering house-ruling that every class has a spontaneous spellcasting variant, just because spontaneous casters are the FUN casters. /flamesuit
Seriously, though. I would be careful about classes like Magus that stick to a rather small suit of spells. I mean, for many people, you'd just be increasing the number of shocking grasps per day. /shrug
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You may be interested in the 3rd party Cabalist. They get bard casting, but I'm going to go ahead and second the warning of Davor.
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As of this date, there is nothing allowing you to play a spontaneous spellcasting Magus.
However, I'm strongly considering house-ruling that every class has a spontaneous spellcasting variant, just because spontaneous casters are the FUN casters. /flamesuit
Seriously, though. I would be careful about classes like Magus that stick to a rather small suit of spells. I mean, for many people, you'd just be increasing the number of shocking grasps per day. /shrug
I suppose what I would do with houseruling it, if it hasn't been discussed in the past, is to keep the spells known/cast per day the exact same or 1 less than the wizard style counterpart and adjust anything to do with INT into CHA instead (in the case of the Kensai, CHA to armor for example or CHA to bonus hit).
As well as keeping it even or 1 less, also making their spell progression just a tad slower maybe? Iono ... find a way to match the bard I guess.
I just don't care for the book styled casters and prefer sorcs and bards when it comes to using arcane magic. However the magus itself is awesome otherwise.
Shocking revelation: All middle track spellcasters already have the exact same spell progression. This spontaneous caster discrimination (where they withhold spell levels until one class level later) only happens to the fast track sponties. And the middle track sponties also don't get more spells per day.
So that part won't be any problem. Fast use the summoner's spells known progression.
Now you just need to fix the class features. The spell recall and knowledge pool features will have to. Maybe have something that lets you switch around one of your known spells for another for a short time (like 1 minute) for pool points.
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Shocking revelation: All middle track spellcasters already have the exact same spell progression. This spontaneous caster discrimination (where they withhold spell levels until one class level later) only happens to the fast track sponties. And the middle track sponties also don't get more spells per day.
So that part won't be any problem. Fast use the summoner's spells known progression.
Now you just need to fix the class features. The spell recall and knowledge pool features will have to. Maybe have something that lets you switch around one of your known spells for another for a short time (like 1 minute) for pool points.
Sure enough you're right. Thanks mr. clown. And here i used to hate all of you creepy fellas. I could just let those class features die since they already get spontaneous casting as a perk.
Thanks mr. clown. And here i used to hate all of you creepy fellas.
Is it because we take turns hiding behind the shower curtain and watch you shave?
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Is it possible or has it been updated anywhere (as a variant rule in a book) about the Magus or any of it's archtypes revolving around the Sorc style over the Wizard? Using Charisma over Int and using limited spells over a spell book?
(If it hasn't been focused on in a book at any point then I suppose this is more of a conversion question and should be moved, I just don't know is all)
It's been discussed, but not that many folks are really keen on slowing the Magus' spell progression even more as it would be if it was going to make the conversion to spontaneous. And it doesn't look like the devs are hot on the idea either.
Let me guess.. you're looking at the Paladin's Divine Grace and smacking your lips at the thought. :)
As Kaeyos pointed out above, technically it wouldn't slow down at all. The bard and any other medium spell casting class does indeed have the exact same rate of spells progression. The number of dailies and such sometimes switches up but otherwise it's on the nose.
And nope to the paladin thing. I just prefer sorc casting style over book learning. It's better then studying from a tome in my head.
I'm a big fan of the cabalist archetype with one change: you don't get any new bloodline abilities after 9th level, the ones you have keep improving, but no new ones, other than that it is fairly balanced.
(The bloodlines replaces knowledge pool, and that is about it)
Spell recall can still work just fine to get you back spell slots. It isn't quite as useful to a spontanious caster, but still handy.
Thanks mr. clown. And here i used to hate all of you creepy fellas.Is it because we take turns hiding behind the shower curtain and watch you shave?Tch, I WISH your people hid ...
... no ... they stare openly ...
Why must you lick your lips when I cut myself?
With some of them, the pale face is not from greasepaint, but from being a vampire. Malkov's our main recruiter in the alternatively vital sector, after all.
Those guys are still hungry.
Don't worry until they lick YOUR lips. They do that sometimes.
And always look for razor blades in your tooth paste...
It's "Kensai", from 剣聖 ("Sword Saint"). It was an honorary title for really good swordsmen.
So if anything, it should not be a separate thing at all. It's like archmage. You don't get any special training to be one of those. You just become a very good swordsman/wizard - good enough that people will give you the honorary title (or else you just assume the style and be powerful enough to beat up everyone who says you're not worthy of it).
So PrC or archetype, it doesn't really matter - neither is really appropriate. Since archetypes are better (especially for stuff that is not setting specific), my vote goes to them.