I was looking at some discussions and thought this could be a fun bard spell. The idea is similar to some existing Bard spells, such as reviving finale etc. Thoughts on the idea and the damage? I really like the idea of the perform check being part of it
Something like
Razor Wit
Lvl 3
Range short
Save Will for half damage
While doing a Bardic Performance you can instantly end it as a swift action with a sharp zinger. Make a perform Comedy check. The better you perform the deeper the zinger cuts the target. If your perform check is 1-10 target takes d6; 11-15 target takes d8; 16-20 target takes d10; 21-25 target takes 2d6; 26-30 2d8; 31-35 target takes 2d10.; 36-40 target takes 3d6. Damage is slashing. If the target makes his save he manages to convince himself that the joke didn't really hurt to much. This spell has no effect on creatures that do not speak the same language as the caster. It is a language dependent spell.
That should be a first level spell.
Yeah I'm alright with it at level 1, it reminds me of razor sharp chord (or whatever that spell is).
That should be a first level spell.
You think? I must admit I have no idea how to level spells, the others I mentioned are level 3's so that is why I put it there. Reviving Finale gives a 20ft burst of 2d6 healing by ending your BP. Any guidelines for giving them levels?
It comes out with less damage than magic missile and allows a save throw -- It's also language dependent which is another ding against it (that can be really limiting). The swift action is what helps it hold its head up and even then it's ending your performance which really hurts for a very little bit of damage.
Healing is always rated higher than damage and healing everyone in a 20 foot burst means that you can get well over 10 people as a swift action.
It comes out with less damage than magic missile and allows a save throw -- It's also language dependent which is another ding against it (that can be really limiting). The swift action is what helps it hold its head up and even then it's ending your performance which really hurts for a very little bit of damage.
Healing is always rated higher than damage and healing everyone in a 20 foot burst means that you can get well over 10 people as a swift action.
I see. So make it a lvl 1 or up the damage. It's all theorycraft anyhow. My Bard I am playing has perform Act and Perform: Magic (actually a stage magician) Any ideas on how to create a performance based spell for Magic? I really like the idea of using the perform as part of it, I just picked up the spellsong feat as well to make use of it.
End the BP, make a perform check and...?
Heck make it deal damage equal to the performance check result with a save throw for half and language dependent.
That would be a solid damage and enough for me to boost it towards 3rd level (damage will have a maximum range of 1d20+51 points of damage at the high end).
It sounds like a lot but it's not hitting a group like a fireball would be and it allows a save while being language dependent (I would add mind affecting and allow SR too) and ending your performance.
Lvl 3
Range short
Save Will for half damage
While doing a Bardic Performance you can instantly end it as a swift action with a sharp zinger. Make a perform Comedy check. The better you perform the deeper the zinger cuts the target. Target takes slashing damage equal to the perform check. If the target makes his save he manages to convince himself that the joke didn't really hurt to much. This spell has no effect on creatures that do not speak the same language as the caster. It is a language dependent spell, and mind effecting
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Awesome now to just make it look good:
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School Enchantment (Mind affecting; Language dependent); Level bard 3
CASTING
Casting Time 1 swift action
Components V, S
EFFECT
Range Close(25 ft. + 5 ft/2 levels)
Area target
Duration instantaneous
Saving Throw Will half; Spell Resistance yes
DESCRIPTION
While doing a Bardic Performance you can instantly end it as a swift action with a sharp zinger. Make a perform Comedy check. The better you perform the deeper the zinger cuts the target. Target takes slashing damage equal to the perform check (DR does not affect this damage). If the target makes his save he manages to convince himself that the joke didn't really hurt to much.
My handful of eurocents: first is pure technicallity - to keep with the correct game terms the range should be close, there is no such thing as short range. Second is that the Perform check should be variable, depending upon the skill being used by the Bard.
Also, I think that the it should inflict nonlethal damage and it should not be slashing damage - the whole point of marking the damage as slashing is to make them subject to DR - and this is already contradicted by the spell description.
I understand what you are saying -- personally I would have it be sonic damage myself I think. However it's not my spell so I left the text how he had it.
My handful of eurocents: first is pure technicallity - to keep with the correct game terms the range should be close, there is no such thing as short range. Second is that the Perform check should be variable, depending upon the skill being used by the Bard.
Also, I think that the it should inflict nonlethal damage and it should not be slashing damage - the whole point of marking the damage as slashing is to make them subject to DR - and this is already contradicted by the spell description.
The reason it is slashing is the idea of Razor Wit, and that it "cuts" the target...get it? Also it only works when using the Comedy Skill, otherwise it does not make any sense.
EDIT: Also the idea that it is lethal damage comes from other Bardic Performance ending spells such as Chord of Shards which is a 1 st level spell that ends your perf for a 15ft cone of piercing damage
The reason it is slashing is the idea of Razor Wit, and that it "cuts" the target...get it? Also it only works when using the Comedy Skill, otherwise it does not make any sense.
I got the joke but it is a bit meaningless mechanically: the main point of designating damage as slashing is to overcome DR x/slashing. Now you are saying that the spell is dealing slashing damage, except they do not act like slashing damage which makes it a bit of a failed joke.
EDIT: Also the idea that it is lethal damage comes from other Bardic Performance ending spells such as Chord of Shards which is a 1 st level spell that ends your perf for a 15ft cone of piercing damage
Chord Of Shards is evocation spell. It's hard to compel somebodys flesh to actually open itself as cut. If you'd change the school to evocation or conjuration so it would materialize words of the caster and actually cut the victim then lethal damage would be in place.
The reason it is slashing is the idea of Razor Wit, and that it "cuts" the target...get it? Also it only works when using the Comedy Skill, otherwise it does not make any sense.I got the joke but it is a bit meaningless mechanically: the main point of designating damage as slashing is to overcome DR x/slashing. Now you are saying that the spell is dealing slashing damage, except they do not act like slashing damage which makes it a bit of a failed joke.
EDIT: Also the idea that it is lethal damage comes from other Bardic Performance ending spells such as Chord of Shards which is a 1 st level spell that ends your perf for a 15ft cone of piercing damageChord Of Shards is evocation spell. It's hard to compel somebodys flesh to actually open itself as cut. If you'd change the school to evocation or conjuration so it would materialize words of the caster and actually cut the victim then lethal damage would be in place.
Ah I understand your quibble w it. What prompted the whole spell was a gaze attack that causes wounds...some hound critter. I will think about what school to change it to.
TY
Ah I understand your quibble w it. What prompted the whole spell was a gaze attack that causes wounds...some hound critter. I will think about what school to change it to.
TY
Sorry I hadn't stated reasoning behind this in my first post. You could also consider making it nonlethal by the very force of suggestion and keep it Enchantment (or Illusion-phantasm maybe).
Sorry I hadn't stated reasoning behind this in my first post. You could also consider making it nonlethal by the very force of suggestion and keep it Enchantment (or Illusion-phantasm maybe).Ah I understand your quibble w it. What prompted the whole spell was a gaze attack that causes wounds...some hound critter. I will think about what school to change it to.
TY
I am starting to come around to nonlethal w the idea of hurt feelings.
I would love to come up with several of these for the different perform options, plus one for my own personal stage magician bard. Some un complete ideas are Acting-somehow the enemy confuses you for a friend; magic something flashy maybe change places w an ally, in a flash of light that dazzles.
Thoughts?