Eidolon (Level 4 summoner, quadraped):
evolutions: arms, simple weapons, hooves, mount, and pounce
feats: two-weapon fighting and defense
Weapons: masterwork large and small mace
Throw a Halfing summoner on him:
Weapon: Masterwork lance
Feats: Mounted Combat, Ride-By attack
So if the halfling mounts a charge and the pair pounce... What are the attacks I'm making?
Does the eidolon get both weapons, plus hooves? Then the rider gets a lance attack? Does the primary bite figure into this? Or is it just weapons only from both?
Also, can mage armor apply to the eidolon? They can't wear armor as per rules. Does the spells force defense count?
Eidolon (Level 4 summoner, quadraped):
evolutions: arms, simple weapons, hooves, mount, and pounce
feats: two-weapon fighting and defense
Weapons: masterwork large and small maceThrow a Halfing summoner on him:
Weapon: Masterwork lance
Feats: Mounted Combat, Ride-By attackSo if the halfling mounts a charge and the pair pounce... What are the attacks I'm making?
Does the eidolon get both weapons, plus hooves? Then the rider gets a lance attack? Does the primary bite figure into this? Or is it just weapons only from both?
Also, can mage armor apply to the eidolon? They can't wear armor as per rules. Does the spells force defense count?
Yes, you can cast mage armor on the mount. The Eidolon should get a full attack with all weapons but it will be at a -5 for all his natural attacks on top of the -2 for two weapon fighting for a total of -2 to primary weapon attacks and -7 for all other attacks. So that's a +6 on Weapon attacks on a charge (Str +2, BAB +3, TWF -2, Charge +2, MWW +1) and +0 for all the secondary attacks (STR+2, BAB +3, -2 TWF, -5 Secondary attacks, +2 Charge)
The rider will get a lance attack as well. I'd stick with natural attacks for the eidolon because otherwise you'll just do a whole lot of missing.
Yes, you can cast mage armor on the mount. The Eidolon should get a full attack with all weapons but it will be at a -5 for all his natural attacks on top of the -2 for two weapon fighting for a total of -2 to primary weapon attacks and -7 for all other attacks. So that's a +6 on Weapon attacks on a charge (Str +2, BAB +3, TWF -2, Charge +2, MWW +1) and +0 for all the secondary attacks (STR+2, BAB +3, -2 TWF, -5 Secondary attacks, +2 Charge)
The rider will get a lance attack as well. I'd stick with natural attacks for the eidolon because otherwise you'll just do a whole lot of missing.
+1. Also, if you insist on it using weapons, I'd give it proficiency with a feat instead of the evolution.
+1. Also, if you insist on it using weapons, I'd give it proficiency with a feat instead of the evolution.
It's not about insisting on using the weapons. It's more about understanding combat rules when you mix weapon and natural attacks in at the same time as opposed to straight natural weapons or straight swords.
What are the rules here for cases like the above?
Weapon + Natural puts all natural at -5 + -2 for multiple attacks so -7?
It's not often you have players or monsters about mixing this all up.