I have a question about adding new spells to my Witch Familiar. Under the Familiar section it states that you can learn a new spell from another familiar or from a scroll (which is destroyed).
My question is: What about adding spells from a wizard spell book? A wizard can add any spells from any spell book he can cast, as long as he pays the cost, can a witch do this? Do you use the Familiar to Familiar rules?
The rules only allow spells from scrolls, and other familiars unless there is some archetype where I missed it, but the regular witch cant do it.
The rules only allow spells from scrolls, and other familiars unless there is some archetype where I missed it, but the regular witch cant do it.
This is how I read it too. Only scrolls or other witch familiars. Not wizard spell books. Now the reverse is also true. A wizard can't get spells from a witch's familiar.
The only problem with this to watch out for as a DM is that generally a wizard in a party has good opportunities to find spellbooks of opponents through the course of a campaign. A witch, not so much. If you have a Witch in the party I'd talk to your DM about this concern. As a DM I would make sure I included a friendly witch here or there in the campaign that your witch PC can trade spells with to make up for it. Or something along those lines. Or drop more scrolls .. you can even give them some flavor/character suggesting they were created by a witch or for a coven or something. In any case, I'd try and include this interesting feature (familiar to familiar spell trading) into the campaign somehow.
I have a question about adding new spells to my Witch Familiar. Under the Familiar section it states that you can learn a new spell from another familiar or from a scroll (which is destroyed).
My question is: What about adding spells from a wizard spell book? A wizard can add any spells from any spell book he can cast, as long as he pays the cost, can a witch do this? Do you use the Familiar to Familiar rules?
Our rule has been that you can tear out pages from a wizard's spellbook and treat it as a scroll for the purposes of the familiar, but you cannot tear them out and actually use it as a scroll (as it hasn't been prepared as such).
At this point, I have no idea if this has any basis in RAW, but it seems pretty reasonable as my ridiculously oversized group has no wizards.
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Wizards get Scribe Scroll as a free feat. Pick up this feat for yourself, and trade scrolls with wizards. I'll occasionally ask for a scroll from the wizard in my party, and offer him one in return. We both win.
Thanks everyone, that's what I thought but I wasn't sure. All the trading arcane spells between classes can get confusing, since every class has their own separate rules.
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Wizards get Scribe Scroll as a free feat. Pick up this feat for yourself, and trade scrolls with wizards. I'll occasionally ask for a scroll from the wizard in my party, and offer him one in return. We both win.
It's all about the Benjamen's though. Unless the GM is willing to cut some slack on the scoll costs eventually this will become either very annoying or cost prohibitive.
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The rules only allow spells from scrolls, and other familiars unless there is some archetype where I missed it, but the regular witch cant do it.This is how I read it too. Only scrolls or other witch familiars. Not wizard spell books. Now the reverse is also true. A wizard can't get spells from a witch's familiar.
You mean I can't make a "familiar a la casserole", eat him and learn his spells? Dammit.
I had big hops for that crab soup.
;D
More seriously, a witch get a bit more spells automatically than a wizard as she get 2 new spells each level plus the patron spells against 2 spells each level.
Allowing the familiar to learn from the pages of a spellbook would not be a great problem, especially as replacing him will cost a lot and not recover the exta-spells he did know (unless I am mistaken).
Scribe scroll seem to be a great feat for a witch as she can prepare a back up of all the spell known to her familiar in scroll form as a form of insurance.
It would be costly and very callous, but she could even use this system to learn more spells.
- Copy all the spell know to the familiar on scrolls;
- kill the familiar;
- call a new familiar selecting different spell known (as far as I can see, nothing force you to call a familiar with the same spells).
As a GM I would penalize a player doing that, but it seem feasible.
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Do you see this post of mine, made in this thread about 12 hours ago?
For some reason I can't see it, while I can find it in my posting history.
I don't think it has been removed, so apparently something weird happened when I posted it or I did something dumb and made it invisible to me.
The only thing I noticed is that it did take a lot of time to be posted.
The rules only allow spells from scrolls, and other familiars unless there is some archetype where I missed it, but the regular witch cant do it.This is how I read it too. Only scrolls or other witch familiars. Not wizard spell books. Now the reverse is also true. A wizard can't get spells from a witch's familiar.
You mean I can't make a "familiar a la casserole", eat him and learn his spells? Dammit.
I had big hopes for that crab soup.
;D
More seriously, a witch get a bit more spells automatically than a wizard as she get 2 new spells each level plus the patron spells against 2 spells each level.
Allowing the familiar to learn from the pages of a spellbook would not be a great problem, especially as replacing him will cost a lot and not recover the exta-spells he did know (unless I am mistaken).
Scribe scroll seem to be a great feat for a witch as she can prepare a back up of all the spell known to her familiar in scroll form as a form of insurance.
It would be costly and very callous, but she could even use this system to learn more spells.
- Copy all the spell know to the familiar on scrolls;
- kill the familiar;
- call a new familiar selecting different spell known (as far as I can see, nothing force you to call a familiar with the same spells).
As a GM I would penalize a player doing that, but it seem feasible.
Do you see this post of mine, made in this thread about 12 hours ago?
For some reason I can't see it, while I can find it in my posting history.
I don't think it has been removed, so apparently something weird happened when I posted it or I did something dumb and made it invisible to me.
The only thing I noticed is that it did take a lot of time to be posted.The rules only allow spells from scrolls, and other familiars unless there is some archetype where I missed it, but the regular witch cant do it.This is how I read it too. Only scrolls or other witch familiars. Not wizard spell books. Now the reverse is also true. A wizard can't get spells from a witch's familiar.
You mean I can't make a "familiar a la casserole", eat him and learn his spells? Dammit.
I had big hopes for that crab soup.
;D
More seriously, a witch get a bit more spells automatically than a wizard as she get 2 new spells each level plus the patron spells against 2 spells each level.
Allowing the familiar to learn from the pages of a spellbook would not be a great problem, especially as replacing him will cost a lot and not recover the exta-spells he did know (unless I am mistaken).Scribe scroll seem to be a great feat for a witch as she can prepare a back up of all the spell known to her familiar in scroll form as a form of insurance.
It would be costly and very callous, but she could even use this system to learn more spells.
- Copy all the spell know to the familiar on scrolls;
- kill the familiar;
- call a new familiar selecting different spell known (as far as I can see, nothing force you to call a familiar with the same spells).As a GM I would penalize a player doing that, but it seem feasible.
No I don't see your other post. Try logging out and logging back in. If that does not help you may need Gary to fix it.
