Chivane's spells known


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Just checking...4th level red mantis assassins' spells known are 4 1st, 2 2nds.

Chivane has 3 2nd level spells listed and 4 1st, but one of those is a 2nd level, making it 3 1st and 4 2nd.

Just surprised that I didn't find anything on a search, or did I miss something?


Module was written prior to the release of the Inner Sea World Guide (I believe) By the PrC outlined in Escape from Old Korvosa, Chivane in the AP is correct. By the ISWG standards, she couldn't have gone into RMA at 6th level, as she wouldn't have the feats required.

As per EOK, she is correct, as per ISWG she is incorrect. You can either rebuild her or handwave it away.

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Chris Manos wrote:

Module was written prior to the release of the Inner Sea World Guide (I believe) By the PrC outlined in Escape from Old Korvosa, Chivane in the AP is correct. By the ISWG standards, she couldn't have gone into RMA at 6th level, as she wouldn't have the feats required.

As per EOK, she is correct, as per ISWG she is incorrect. You can either rebuild her or handwave it away.

Hrm, I don't think so. She does qualify for RMA from Inner Sea World Guide. As an elven rogue 5 she has 3 feats plus 1 bonus from the rogue talent Weapon Training. If she were built with the older RMA she wouldn't have Saber Fighting.

However, on the spells known issue, you would appear to be correct. A 4th level RMA from EOK has 4/3 spells known and spider climb is a 1st level spell for them.

So likely the changes to the class were only partially finalized when Serpent Skull 3 was written or the spell changes weren't caught in time.


Dang I forgot weapon training. So it looks like it may be a compilation of the two classes.


I got rid of blur, then swapped reduce person for spider climb.

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