Ki Pool Question


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The Martial Artist Monk loses his Ki Pool to make way for his Exploit Weakness ability (which I love), but he doesn't explicitly lose some of his Ki abilities that rely on said pool. Lets say Mr. Monk doesn't like that and drops a level into Rogue to get the Ki Pool Rogue Talent. Of course its significantly smaller, but would he still be able to use it (minus the extra attack on a full attack)? Would it still count for Ki Strike, Abundant Step and all the other neat Ki tricks? I couldn't find where someone had asked this question before and I'm very curious.


ki strike is a function of the Monk's ki pool so no that's not gonna work unless the rogue talent grants that in some way ( I just rechecked; nope). Abundant Step should work, though I expect this ability was not intended to stay and will be FAQ/errata'd out at some point. The talent will work with High Jump however.
It's possible you could find a Quingong substitution for the Abundant Step, but again with no ki pool that is tricky.


1. You need two levels in rogue to get a rogue talent. Only if you happen to take your first level in rogue while you would get a feat, you could take the feat extra rogue talent.

2. You then have a ninja ki pool, that has some different abilities and is crippled.

Benefit: A rogue with this talent gains a small ki pool. This ki pool is similar to a ninja’s ki pool, but the rogue’s ki pool does not grant any extra attacks. The rogue gains a number of ki points equal to her Wisdom modifier (minimum 1). These ki points replenish at the start of each day. If she already has a ki pool, or gains a ki pool later, she gains half her Wisdom bonus (minimum 1) as bonus ki points to her ki pool. She can spend a ki point to gain a +10-foot bonus to movement until the end of her turn.

I guess its badly written, with people doing to hurried and busy.
Probably it wants to say you got a ki pool, but only can do whats mentioned there, not everything the ninja can do.
You could take ninja talents that use ki though, i.e. vanishing trick.
(What its probably mainly thought for)
How all of this reacts with crossclassing ki powers is not said.
But since the martial artist forgoes his ki pool i guess he looses all attached abilities.


It's the attached ability that's an issue. For whatever reason the Martial Artist Monk kept Abundant Step, which is a ki driven ability. High Jump has a ki component but works without it.
I would think the best route is to come up with an ability to replace Abundant Step and not worry about ki at all.
Cross classing ki pool is perfectly laid out in the Ninja class. Since ki strike is unique to the monk's pool it's lost to the Martial Artist as an archetype of the Monk.


Always play a Qing Gong Martial Artist.


Abraham spalding wrote:
Always play a Qing Gong Martial Artist.

Thats a very good idea^^

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