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Is it possible to create a character with the Undead Lord archetype for PFS? I picture this character as someone who uses undead to destroy other undead, something like fighting fire with fire. I figure he would be LN, and have a set of rules he would never break, all of this in order to not go into the darker side of undeath and such.
Yep, that archetype is legal for PFS play.
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Is it possible to create a character with the Undead Lord archetype for PFS? I picture this character as someone who uses undead to destroy other undead, something like fighting fire with fire. I figure he would be LN, and have a set of rules he would never break, all of this in order to not go into the darker side of undeath and such.
Is it just me or do these Undead Lord archetype concepts keep popping up on these boards? As far as I know it's okay to make an undead lord as long as it's not evil.
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Is it possible to create a character with the Undead Lord archetype for PFS? I picture this character as someone who uses undead to destroy other undead, something like fighting fire with fire. I figure he would be LN, and have a set of rules he would never break, all of this in order to not go into the darker side of undeath and such.
Is it just me or do these Undead Lord archetype concepts keep popping up on these boards? As far as I know it's okay to make an undead lord as long as it's not evil.
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It keeps cropping up because it would seem on the surface that necromancy is an obviously evil act, and PFS doesn't allow evil PC's. So, people are surprised that undead lords are playable, while classes like assassin are not. Its a fairly easy to make mistake.
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It keeps cropping up because it would seem on the surface that necromancy is an obviously evil act, and PFS doesn't allow evil PC's.
That's actually funny.
Because murdering sentient beings for fun and profit in an obviously evil act. Still, it's the modus operandi for Pathfinder Society and the number one way of rewarding its members.
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It keeps cropping up because it would seem on the surface that necromancy is an obviously evil act, and PFS doesn't allow evil PC's.That's actually funny.
Because murdering sentient beings for fun and profit in an obviously evil act. Still, it's the modus operandi for Pathfinder Society and the number one way of rewarding its members.
Shhh, its ok! We steal from evil people, that makes it alright!
The Pathfinder Society is a true neutral organisation run by masked individuals iirc, so I tend not to care about alignments as a GM. The things that matter most are:
1. The characters need to cooperate with each other as that's the best way to succeed in the mission.
2. The characters should keep any issues or conflicts within the organisation and not run off and tell the local authorities that Zorba the Zombie Master is raising the dead. The Society doesn't want its members giving up their secrets under interrogation.
3. Characters should not do anything so over-whelmingly evil and abhorrent that crusades are formed against the society. Keep it low key, be subtle, get the job done, and if you have a problem with a fellow character just stick it in your report so it can be dealt with internally.
I think any character who has such high ideals that they can't be flexible and discreet is more of a problem to the society than characters that verge on the evil. Just so long as the evil is subtle.
Wandering around town with a skeleton is a bit obvious it must be said, so any character with one of those as a companion might want to invest in a large sack... :-)
Wandering around town with a skeleton is a bit obvious it must be said, so any character with one of those as a companion might want to invest in a large sack... :-)
I play an Undead Lord and it is quite fun (and legal). I don't bother having a regular companion so I don't need the sack, though three times now I've turned in a zombie for my Cheliax faction mission.
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Psst: At second level, Dip ONE level of Sorceror and take the Undead Bloodline. Then go back to Undead Lord for level 3+.
Effect: All mind-affecting spells in your Cleric (and Sorceror) spell lists now effect Corporeal undead that were once humanoids per the spell text as if they were still humanoids. There are a LOT of highly useful mind-affecting spells in your repertoire that can be used this way and charmed undead don't count against your other control limits for HD as an Undead Lord. Moreover, many of your typical go-to low level clerical buff spells, (Bless, Aid, etc.) can now be used to buff controlled and allied undead!
Normally: The Undead are all utterly immune to your mind-affecting spells. And they are STILL immune to mind-affecting spells cast by anybody else.
Additional Bonus Effect: There are a *lot* of wands and scrolls which are now highly useful to you without the need to make a UMD roll.
The power of the Undead Bloodline to get the ability for all mind-affecting spells of the caster to work against corporeal undead right out of the gate and forever after has to be one of the most front-end loaded low level abilities in the entire game. It's just TOO GOOD not to dip for it if you are going with this character concept.
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It's possible, but you could have issues with other players, so you need to take a look at your play environment. In the Living Arcanis OP (3.5) campaign, there was an undead prestige class which PC's could enter. It caused some issues when the party was attacked by undead and turning undead and spells like sunburst (?) could nuke the PC, his minions as well as the enemy.
So this class presents issues, if properly played and judged. However, just like most judges ignore the fact that you are walking through a peaceful small time church with a large, carnivorous dinosaur, most judges will ignore the fact that openly bringing along undead will have a negative effect on how the populace will react to social skills except for Intimidate. Clerics, paladins and inquisitors of Phrasma may not be happy around you.
The bottom line is that it is legal, but it's easy to violate the don't be a jerk rule if you are not careful.
To be honest, I would never focus on the Undead part of the Undead Lord (I know that sounds like a contradiction). Most of the tables I've played at had someone that disliked undead to some degree. They won't condone having undead walking around with the party and it has already been determined that it is not PvP for them to kill the controlled undead.
So if you were to charm some zombies, just expect them to be killed last in the encounter. But hey, keeping them from harming the party is still a benefit.