Oracle Spells

[Quishadi]

Hi all - I know that this has been pointed out before, but some spells that an oracle can cast are based on Wisdom [e.g. spiritual weapon], and some have two stats listed but don't explicitly mention oracle [e.g. telekinesis]. Has there been any official ruling regarding these spells and how they interact with the oracle class?

I know that this will largely be up to individual DMs, and I respect that, but I also think something official from Paizo or the PFS organizers would be really helpful for organized play. As it is, whenever I play my oracle, I have to ask how the DM at the table will handle it ... and as you might expect, there is no single answer.

Maybe I missed something in a FAQ somewhere or there's been an errata? That would be nice. Otherwise, Paizo ... please don't leave us hanging.

Thanks.

[Fing Mandragoran]

Im not certain where the official ruling is. However I do know that spells listed in the core book, before the oracle was released, intends for the oracle to use their cha modifier instead of their wis.

[Quishadi]

That is what I assumed and what I have been told most often, but unfortunately not every DM has ruled this way. With the oracle having such a limited number of known spells, it's important to make every one of them count. I'd really like to get my hands on something definitive just so that I know for certain. If you remember where you read that, please let me know.

[wraithstrike]

There is no official ruling for it yet, but it makes sense to use Cha. I think they should just say that for all purpose when class X uses a spell mentioned for class Y use Class X's attributes.

[Fing Mandragoran]

wraithstrike wrote:

There is no official ruling for it yet, but it makes sense to use Cha. I think they should just say that for all purpose when class X uses a spell mentioned for class Y use Class X's attributes.

So I guess there isnt an official ruling. However there is a sample oracle character sheet located at...

http://paizo.com/paizo/blog/v5748dyo5lak0&sort=0&source=search

Look at the relevant casting stats and then the DC for fireball. The dc obviously uses the oracles cha as its relevant stat.

[wraithstrike]

Fing Mandragoran wrote:

wraithstrike wrote:

There is no official ruling for it yet, but it makes sense to use Cha. I think they should just say that for all purpose when class X uses a spell mentioned for class Y use Class X's attributes.

So I guess there isnt an official ruling. However there is a sample oracle character sheet located at...

http://paizo.com/paizo/blog/v5748dyo5lak0&sort=0&source=search

Look at the relevant casting stats and then the DC for fireball. The dc obviously uses the oracles cha as its relevant stat.

You misunderstand. We are not question which stat to use when casting spells. That is written in the class description. The issue is spells that use a class's ability attribute within the body of the spell. As an example spiritual weapon says to use the wisdom modifier to determine the attack bonus of the weapon. There is nothing stating that another class with access to the spell can use anything else even though it would not make sense for an Oracle or any other future class to be forced to use wisdom if it has another main ability score.