Usually you can't grapple a creature more than one size larger than you and I have been playing around with an idea to make this possible and wanted to know what others thought of it.
There are some things that would not be possible with this and they would be:
-It would be impossible to impose the grappled condition on the creature you are performing the grapple check on (I know it sounds pointless bear with me). Though the grappler would still receive the grappled condition
- Obviously the pinned condition is impossible as well
- The grappler would no longer be able to occupy a separate square and will be forced to share a square with the creature it is grappling.
I was unable to think of a good name for this, but since it is so similar to grapple all of the feats would work with this one as well. I suppose something like a forced ride or mount would be appropriate.
It would require a check to maintain the grapple hold just like the normal maneuver and the player could with a successful check also do one of the following:
-Move to a different place on the creature 1/2 movement for horizontal distances 1/4 movement for vertical ones.
-Deal damage to the creature with object in hand (or similar appendage like a claw or bite). If the grappler has a weapon in their hand they will take a -2 penalty on any grapple checks to stay attached or initiate (instead of the normal -4).
-Hinder the creature in one of two ways. The first is that he can grant all allies attacking a +2 bonus on attack rolls against the creature for that round (kinda like an aid another action for all allies). Second is the hinder the creature for one round giving it -2's to all attack rolls for a single round.
The creature being ridden can make a check as a standard action to attempt the "buck" or throw the creature off its back, arm, face, etc. If successful the grappler is launched off the creature 5 horizontal feet for every 10 vertical feet they were on the creature and will take any necessary falling damage.
What do you think of this? I think the hinder options might be a little too good, but I figured larger creatures have a higher AC so some higher reward for the risk is needed.
Usually you can't grapple a creature more than one size larger than you
AFAIK this isn´t true for PRPG. Grab has a size restriction, but that is distinct from Grapple per se.
but I figured larger creatures have a higher AC
larger creatures have a higher penalty to AC. higher CR creatures tend to have higher ACs, and larger creatures with reach are often the formula to make a high-threat melee opponent, but larger creatures don´t have higher AC per se. their CMD, used for grapple, is higher though.
but I figured larger creatures have a higher AClarger creatures have a higher penalty to AC. higher CR creatures tend to have higher ACs, and larger creatures with reach are often the formula to make a high-threat melee opponent, but larger creatures don´t have higher AC per se. their CMD, used for grapple, is higher though.
Right CMD is what I meant (do not know why I said AC) every size category above medium gets a +1 so that would be two points harder grapple (for a medium creature to grapple a huge at least). This is the reason I wanted to allow a stacking of of -2's to either AC or attack rolls seeing as initiated and maintaining that grapple is not going to be easy.
Actually, I think Grab itself was stealth-Errata´d in a more recent Bestiary to not have any Size restriction either.
I´m not sure where that leaves the Barbarian alt-ability that you count as one size larger re: grappling size restrictions...
Just totally useless? I always thought it should affect your CMB/CMD accordingly....
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Actually, I think Grab itself was stealth-Errata´d in a more recent Bestiary to not have any Size restriction either.
I´m not sure where that leaves the Barbarian alt-ability that you count as one size larger re: grappling size restrictions...
Just totally useless? I always thought it should affect your CMB/CMD accordingly....
It should make you Large for the purpose of the Body Bludgeon talent, for example. And being able to use a medium sized opponent in your medium sized hands is priceless.
similar but not quite.... does a gargantuan dragon, who is grappling a medium sized character, gain the grappled condition? does the one foot stomping a wizard really constitute the grappled condition for the dragon?
Yes, Bestiary II has "stealth errata" for the Grab ability. However, later books, such as UM and UC, don't seem to reflect this change.