Haste & Blessing of Fervor: Question about haste effects stacking


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haste, summoner 2, sor/wiz 3
+1 attack on a full attack action at highest bab.
+1 attack bonus,
+1 reflex bonus
+1 dodge bonus to AC.
increase base modes of movement by 30ft up to double.

blessing of fervor, cleric/oracle 4
choose 1 benefit / round:
* Increase its speed by 30 feet.
* Stand up as a swift action without provoking an attack of opportunity.
* Make one extra attack as part of a full attack action, using its highest base attack bonus.
* Gain a +2 bonus on attack rolls and a +2 dodge bonus to AC and Reflex saves.
* Cast a single spell of 2nd level or lower as if it were an enlarged, extended, silent, or still spell.

Blessing of fervor states "Blessing of fervor does not stack with haste."

so the question:
can you cast both spells, and then get all the benefits of haste, and choose one of the blessings granted by Blessing of Fervor?

ex. +1 attack in full attack, +2 reflex, +2 dodge, +30 ft speed up to your base speed, and +2 to attack rolls?

Or do you not get any effects of haste when you're under the effects of blessing of fervor?

The text from blessing of fervor just seems to rule out getting 2 attacks extra in a full attack action, and getting +3 to hit, dodge and reflex, etc.


Seraphimpunk wrote:

ex. +1 attack in full attack, +2 reflex, +2 dodge, +30 ft speed up to your base speed, and +2 to attack rolls?

The text from blessing of fervor just seems to rule out getting 2 attacks extra in a full attack action, and getting +3 to hit, dodge and reflex, etc.

What you wrote above. `Stacking` means applying a bonus to the same roll, stat, or (more loosely) the same full attack (or any attacking) action.

What you wrote above is no different than having Barkskin and a Polymorph spell on you, Barkskin gives a higher Natural Armor bonus than the Polymorph spell, so the Natural Armor portion of the Polymorph spell is `over-written` (doesn`t stack) but all other effects of the spell should apply.

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yeah, guess so.


Seraphimpunk wrote:

haste, summoner 2, sor/wiz 3

+1 attack on a full attack action at highest bab.
+1 attack bonus,
+1 reflex bonus
+1 dodge bonus to AC.
increase base modes of movement by 30ft up to double.

blessing of fervor, cleric/oracle 4
choose 1 benefit / round:
* Increase its speed by 30 feet.
* Stand up as a swift action without provoking an attack of opportunity.
* Make one extra attack as part of a full attack action, using its highest base attack bonus.
* Gain a +2 bonus on attack rolls and a +2 dodge bonus to AC and Reflex saves.
* Cast a single spell of 2nd level or lower as if it were an enlarged, extended, silent, or still spell.

Blessing of fervor states "Blessing of fervor does not stack with haste."

so the question:
can you cast both spells, and then get all the benefits of haste, and choose one of the blessings granted by Blessing of Fervor?

ex. +1 attack in full attack, +2 reflex, +2 dodge, +30 ft speed up to your base speed, and +2 to attack rolls?

Or do you not get any effects of haste when you're under the effects of blessing of fervor?

The text from blessing of fervor just seems to rule out getting 2 attacks extra in a full attack action, and getting +3 to hit, dodge and reflex, etc.

I had this question before. I've ruled basically what you mention here. If someone has both spells on them, they can only use Blessing of Fervor to gain the attack, AC and reflex bonus, the metamagic spell, or the stand as a swift.

Some people may rule that someone with Haste cannot gain the AC, attack, and reflex bonus from Blessing of Fervor but I allow it since dodge bonus stack and the other bonuses are not specific types.

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I would suggest you could gain one of the following bonuses each round from blessing while haste is up:
* Stand up as a swift action without provoking an attack of opportunity.
* Gain a +2 bonus on attack rolls and a +1 (in addition to the +1 from haste) dodge bonus to AC and Reflex saves.
* Cast a single spell of 2nd level or lower as if it were an enlarged, extended, silent, or still spell.

The dodge bonus and other bonuses wouldn't stack with haste.

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