Ragechemist: Typed or Untyped boost?


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Ultimate Combat wrote:

Rage Mutagen

At 2nd level, whenever a ragechemist creates a mutagen that improves his Strength, that mutagen grants the ragechemist a +6 bonus to Strength, a +2 bonus to natural armor, and a –2 penalty to Intelligence. Furthermore, while under the effects of this mutagen, whenever the alchemist takes damage, his rage grows, with detrimental effects. At the end of each turn that he takes hit point damage, the ragechemist must succeed at a Will saving throw (DC 15, or DC 20 if any of the damage came from a critical hit that turn) or take a –2 penalty on Will saving throws and to Intelligence. These penalties end 1 hour after the mutagen ends and stack with themselves. If the penalty lowers the ragechemist’s Intelligence score to 0, the ragechemist is comatose until 1 hour after the mutagen expires.
This ability replaces poison use.

The alchemist mutagen class feature specifies that it grants a +4 alchemical bonus to an ability score. Barbarian rage specifies that it grants a moral bonus to ability scores, and spells like bull's strength grant an enhancement bonus to ability scores.

The above class feature seems to grant an untyped bonus of +6 to strength, meaning the bonus from rage mutagen would stack with with any other bonus. I think the intention was to add an additional +2 whenever an alchemist brews a strength enhancing mutagen. The ability could use a bit of clarification.

Is this ability supposed to grant a net +2 increase to strength when using strength based mutagens, or is it really supposed to pump the user up to +10 (+4 alchemical, +6 untyped) strength at level 2?

I support it either way, it sounds like a wicked option to have at your disposal as an Alchemist 2/ Barbarian X


Since it more or less copies a previous ability, it probably copies the same type of bonus: alchemical.

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