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Lets say that you are casting some spells on a person. That person has to make several will saves. He may or may not save against all of them.
Does the target of a will(or fort, ref, or whatever) save know that he is making the save? That he is the target of some kind of magic or other effect forcing him to make a save?
E.G. John casts charm person on bob. Bob sucessfully saves against it. Does bob know he was the target of a magical effect?
Mergy
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Have you ever seen a movie where telepathy is present? And one character tries to read another character's mind, and there's a brief struggle and gritted teeth before one of them relents? That's how I vision a will save plays out. The victim knows he's being probed, and it hurts, and he's fighting it.
ciretose
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Lets say that you are casting some spells on a person. That person has to make several will saves. He may or may not save against all of them.
Does the target of a will(or fort, ref, or whatever) save know that he is making the save? That he is the target of some kind of magic or other effect forcing him to make a save?
E.G. John casts charm person on bob. Bob sucessfully saves against it. Does bob know he was the target of a magical effect?
I would say (and I play) yes. This is one of the little caster nerfs that prevent spells from being overpowered.
| Drejk |
Actually rules cover that part in magic section - spell description:
Succeeding on a Saving Throw: A creature that successfully saves against a spell that has no obvious physical effects feels a hostile force or a tingle, but cannot deduce the exact nature of the attack. Likewise, if a creature's saving throw succeeds against a targeted spell, you sense that the spell has failed. You do not sense when creatures succeed on saves against effect and area spells.
Note that if the caster of the spell is in line of sight while casting the spell can be identified with a Spellcraft check but it is independent of saving throw being made.
| David knott 242 |
My opinion: Since you can voluntarily fail a save, you need to know that you are making one so that you can decide whether to attempt it or voluntarily fail it. You would then remember having had your mind assaulted unless you fail the save and the resulting effect tampers with your memory (as appears to be the case with spells like Charm Person).
| Charender |
My opinion: Since you can voluntarily fail a save, you need to know that you are making one so that you can decide whether to attempt it or voluntarily fail it. You would then remember having had your mind assaulted unless you fail the save and the resulting effect tampers with your memory (as appears to be the case with spells like Charm Person).
If you do not know you are being targeted, then you do not have to option to voluntarily fail the save.
The only time you know is if you make the save.