Grab and magic fang

[Omelite]

I couldn't find another thread asking this question, so here goes:

Scenario: A druid is wildshaped into for instance a giant hippo which has grab on its bite, and he casts Magic Fang to get a +1 enhancement to his bite attack.

Combat Maneuvers wrote:

When you attempt to perform a combat maneuver, make an attack roll and add your CMB in place of your normal attack bonus. Add any bonuses you currently have on attack rolls due to spells, feats, and other effects. These bonuses must be applicable to the weapon or attack used to perform the maneuver.

So would magic fang:

A] Give the druid a +1 enhancement bonus on the free grapple check he gets from grab, but not on subsequent grapples? [i.e. the grab is made using the bite, but the subsequent grapples are not]

B] Give the druid a +1 enhancement bonus on all grapple checks.

C] Give the druid a +1 enhancement bonus on all grapple checks as long as he initiated the grapple using grab on his bite.

D] Not affect his grapple checks whatsoever.

B looks most correct to me (as long as he is 'using the bite' to perform the grapple, which he obviously can since he has grab). What do you guys think?

[William Brewer]

Omelite wrote:

I couldn't find another thread asking this question, so here goes:

Scenario: A druid is wildshaped into for instance a giant hippo which has grab on its bite, and he casts Magic Fang to get a +1 enhancement to his bite attack.

Combat Maneuvers wrote:

When you attempt to perform a combat maneuver, make an attack roll and add your CMB in place of your normal attack bonus. Add any bonuses you currently have on attack rolls due to spells, feats, and other effects. These bonuses must be applicable to the weapon or attack used to perform the maneuver.

So would magic fang:

A] Give the druid a +1 enhancement bonus on the free grapple check he gets from grab, but not on subsequent grapples? [i.e. the grab is made using the bite, but the subsequent grapples are not]

B] Give the druid a +1 enhancement bonus on all grapple checks.

C] Give the druid a +1 enhancement bonus on all grapple checks as long as he initiated the grapple using grab on his bite.

D] Not affect his grapple checks whatsoever.

B looks most correct to me (as long as he is 'using the bite' to perform the grapple, which he obviously can since he has grab). What do you guys think?

well C is the case. Since B and C are same really so long as he is in the wildshape. Because once he leaves wildshape he looses the benfit of the Magic Fang unless that shape also has a natural weapon attack.

[Omelite]

William Brewer wrote:

well C is the case. Since B and C are same really so long as he is in the wildshape. Because once he leaves wildshape he looses the benfit of the Magic Fang unless that shape also has a natural weapon attack.

What about if he initiates a grapple as a standard action while wildshaped, not as a result of hitting with his bite and getting a free grapple check? Is he allowed to simply say he is using his bite as a grappling tool and therefore get the bonus, or would he lose it?

[Tharg The Pirate King]

Omelite wrote:

William Brewer wrote:

well C is the case. Since B and C are same really so long as he is in the wildshape. Because once he leaves wildshape he looses the benfit of the Magic Fang unless that shape also has a natural weapon attack.

What about if he initiates a grapple as a standard action while wildshaped, not as a result of hitting with his bite and getting a free grapple check? Is he allowed to simply say he is using his bite as a grappling tool and therefore get the bonus, or would he lose it?

well as long as the attack to intiate grapple is natural weapon. the problem is that if you are a creature with no limbs that can attack with other than mouth, then the attack to grapple has to come from there. so in a way yes if you say you will try to grapple and attack with mouth to grapple then should get bonus.