Dragon Ferocity: What is a successful Stunning Fist attempt?


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The Dragon Ferocity feat from Ultimate Combat says, "When you score a critical hit or a successful Stunning Fist attempt against an opponent while using this style, that opponent is also shaken for a number of rounds equal to 1d4 + your Strength bonus."

To qualify as a "successful" Stunning Fist attempt, does it suffice to simply Hit with the Stunning Fist, or is it only successful if the target fails his save?


Kung-Fu Joe wrote:

The Dragon Ferocity feat from Ultimate Combat says, "When you score a critical hit or a successful Stunning Fist attempt against an opponent while using this style, that opponent is also shaken for a number of rounds equal to 1d4 + your Strength bonus."

To qualify as a "successful" Stunning Fist attempt, does it suffice to simply Hit with the Stunning Fist, or is it only successful if the target fails his save?

It's only successful if the target fails their save.

A stunning fist that the opponent makes their save on is only a successful melee attack.


Furthermore, in the "special" part of that feat, does "qualify" for Elemental Fist mean that you can use Elemental Fist when in this style? The text seems confusing to me when talking about qualifying and not needing to meet prerequisites. I'm not sure if I still need to take Elemental Fist on top of this one. It seems like I only have to if I want to deal more than one specific kind of elemental damage.

I mentioned this in another thread about Dragon Ferocity, but no one answered me.


submit2me wrote:

Furthermore, in the "special" part of that feat, does "qualify" for Elemental Fist mean that you can use Elemental Fist when in this style? The text seems confusing to me when talking about qualifying and not needing to meet prerequisites. I'm not sure if I still need to take Elemental Fist on top of this one. It seems like I only have to if I want to deal more than one specific kind of elemental damage.

I mentioned this in another thread about Dragon Ferocity, but no one answered me.

I believe the Special text means that, if you have Dragon Ferocity, you may take the Elemental Fist feat even if you do not meet its normal requirements. However, if you take the feat without meeting its normal requirements, you are restricted to a single energy choice.


Kung-Fu Joe wrote:
I believe the Special text means that, if you have Dragon Ferocity, you may take the Elemental Fist feat even if you do not meet its normal requirements. However, if you take the feat without meeting its normal requirements, you are restricted to a single energy choice.

Okay. That makes more sense to me. I wish they would've worded it in a less complicated way like you did. They try to make everything sound so "official" sometimes that it gets convoluted and my brain no work well. Thanks for clearing that up for me!

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