Have you ever seen someone take a teamwork feat that wasn't granted by a class feature? I haven't. I'm wondering if they're really as unpopular as they seem.
The only time I've seen it considered is when the player can control more than one character's feat choices. As in, Int 3 animal companions picking up teamwork feats that play of the main character's choices.
I've yet to see anyone actually pick them between multiple characters. They make very good NPC choices though when building encounters.
I play in a group of six. Four of us (1 inquisitor) have Outflank. 3 of 4 of us have Gang Up and high crit weapons too. If we are "flanking" something, it won't survive for more than a round. It's devastating to our enemies. Anything on the ground never lasts long.
Beyond that particular feat... no, nothing else shines.
I like the feats.. though I tend to look at stuff from a GM perspective, it would be fun to take the feats with another player but in our group players do not always make it to the planned sessions, so that makes them useless if your counterpart is not there.
Some of them work great for the GM. Makes it easy to beef up large groups of weaker creatures without having to advance them. Any organization the GM wants to make more dangerous without a lot of extra work can benefit from these feats.
These things can be devastating if done right. My buddy has a game he does with some of his friends, and he had me build some NPCs for him. I only built two mechanically different NPCs. One, which represented the 8 soldiers in the group were 13th level fighters with NO magical equipment. The other was a level 16 Fighter/UrPriest/Holy Vindicator. He used this group of 9 NPCs, who, as I said had NO magic items to hold off a group of 5 fully decked out and well built level 20 player characters. From what I hear, they almost lost even!
It's pretty amazing what you can do with two rounds of clerical (urpriestian- and the ONLY non-pathfinder core thing I used) buffing and a group of fighters using sound tactics and circumstance bonuses.
Me and my wife both made good use of the switch paces feat. I was a cleric with tower shield proficiency, and my wife was a paladin. I would ready actions to go to full cover with a 5' step into her square. The Wife's pally was also packing a reach weapon so she could attack over me while I held the creature back. The tactic was absolutely devastating in small hallways.
Not quite. The Cavalier has the phalanx feat, but the other character with the feat is his cohort.
The party fighter in our CoT game will probably take the feat, though, as my Inquisitor wants to take it as the next feat (he has the quasi sneak attack one).
And yeah, I'm too lazy to look up proper names.
Have you ever seen someone take a teamwork feat that wasn't granted by a class feature? I haven't. I'm wondering if they're really as unpopular as they seem.
A pair of players in our large group game have backstory together (they're brothers, naturally) and have therefore taken Precise Strike and are working towards Outflank. A third player in the group is an Inquisitor. This obviously impacts things on occasion.
The feats are sort of a gamble. Being dependent on another character having them is very difficult to utilize, particularly if that character is simply out of position. We've had that issue come up quite a bit.
I've seen them effective in use, but granted by a cavalier, not taken as base feats.
Thinking about it some more, I actually would consider this with a cohort via Leadership. I wonder if the Leadership players in our current games have considered the same.
I have too. I especially like the concept of a wizard with a bunch of level 1 adepts who all have Allied Spellcaster forming a magic missile firing squad. Or an archer fighter with warrior followers who all use tower shields with Shield Wall to form your own mini tank. And then there's the cooperative crafting hijinks.
Sadly, however, I play infrequently enough that I haven't had time to actually try any of these things.
When I saw that they require more than one person to take them to use them, I skipped to the next section without really reading them.
I just can't imagine taking a feating that doesn't work unless someone else also takes it. I could maybe see if I was playing a fighter and there was another fighter in the party, since they have a couple of feats to spare, but any other class is too hard up for class related feats.
Also if the other person's character dies and they choose to make a new character I'm either sitting on worthless feats or begging the Dungeon Master to let me retrain.
So, I'm not saying their bad, just not my slice of pie.
