Is it possible to deliver a touch spell with a hand equipped with a gauntlet or a spiked gauntlet? Is it possible to do so by attacking with the said gauntlet? For example, can a magus cast a touch spell and, on the next round, punch someone with his spiked gauntlet, dealing damage from the attack and delivering the spell on the target at the same time?
A gauntlet is listed as an unarmed strike. Since you can make unarmed strikes through it, I don't see why you can't make touch attacks through it.
If it seems weird to you, just remember that clerics often make touch attacks, often wear armor with gauntlets as well. Also, it's magic.
It doesn't seem weird to me. I actually want my magus to land electro-punches in people's faces with a spiked gauntlet for added pain. However, it says a spiked gauntlet is considered an armed attack. Is it possible to land touch spells with it? If it's not, then it's stupid that a gauntlet can land them and not a spiked gauntlet, since only the back hand of the spiked gauntlet has spikes (or do you back-hand monsters to deliver touch spells in conventional Pathfinder?).
Actually, my question is more "If you punch someone in the face, does it deliver the touch spell you were holding?" I'd say no, since your hand probably has to be closed to punch and you deliver spells with an open hand the way I see it, but then the rules don't say anything about it...
Ah, I found this!
"Alternatively, you may make a normal unarmed attack (or an attack with a natural weapon) while holding a charge. In this case, you aren't considered armed and you provoke attacks of opportunity as normal for the attack. If your unarmed attack or natural weapon attack normally doesn't provoke attacks of opportunity, neither does this attack. If the attack hits, you deal normal damage for your unarmed attack or natural weapon and the spell discharges. If the attack misses, you are still holding the charge."
That means you could discharge a spell while punching with a gauntlet, but not a spiked one? That's weird. Oh well.
Hitting someone with an unarmed strike or natural attack (or gauntlet since it is considered an unarmed strike) and channeling a touch spell through it at the same time is certainly possible, but you would roll a normal attack roll, not a touch attack. What's more, I'm fairly certain you would have to cast the spell, hold the charge, and then make the attack in the next round (since making an unarmed attack and casting a spell are two distinctly separate standard actions).
You cannot hit with a spiked gauntlet's spike AND a touch spell unless you are a magus using spellstrike. You could, however, make the touch spell normally, even while wearing the spiked gauntlet.
Hitting someone with an unarmed strike or natural attack (or gauntlet since it is considered an unarmed strike) and channeling an attack through it at the same time is certainly possible, but you would roll a normal attack roll, not a touch attack. What's more, I'm pretty certain you would have to cast the spell, hold the charge, and then make the attack in the next round (since making an unarmed attack and casting a spell are two distinctly separate standard actions).
You cannot do this with a spiked gauntlet unless you are a magus using spellstrike.
OK, that answers my question, thanks! I'll just wait until I reach level 2 so I can Spelltrike Punch the crap out of my enemies!
Priests have always been allowed to deliver touch spells in whatever armor they want, and the armor includes a gauntlet, so that part works.
Keep in mind when you punch someone you have to attack their regular armor class, and if you miss you miss: you don't check their touch ac to see if the spell hits and your fists misses.
Priests have always been allowed to deliver touch spells in whatever armor they want, and the armor includes a gauntlet, so that part works.
Keep in mind when you punch someone you have to attack their regular armor class, and if you miss you miss: you don't check their touch ac to see if the spell hits and your fists misses.
Yeah, that's what the rules say, but it's kinda weird. If your fist hits, your spell your be discharged even if the fist landed on armor, no? Oh well, I'll stick with the rules. Thank you!
Yeah, that's what the rules say, but it's kinda weird. If your fist hits, your spell your be discharged even if the fist landed on armor, no? Oh well, I'll stick with the rules. Thank you!Priests have always been allowed to deliver touch spells in whatever armor they want, and the armor includes a gauntlet, so that part works.
Keep in mind when you punch someone you have to attack their regular armor class, and if you miss you miss: you don't check their touch ac to see if the spell hits and your fists misses.
To hit with a touch spell all you need to do is use the same motion for "tag, you're it" . You don't need to worry about winding up the punch, speed, force, momentum, position, and aiming like you do with a punch.
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Yeah, that's what the rules say, but it's kinda weird. If your fist hits, your spell your be discharged even if the fist landed on armor, no? Oh well, I'll stick with the rules. Thank you!
If you want fluff to match the crunch, think if it this way - when you punch someone unarmed or with a gauntlet, you're making solid contact with your fist. Similarly, a touch attach is a solid grasp or slap or even a hard poke. That's what the spell needs for a touch attack. But with a spiked gauntlet or weapon, the damage isn't necessarily coming from a solid contact; the spikes tear flesh as they graze by or you poke and penetrate flesh with the spikes but not deep enough to penetrate all the way to the base of the spike, so you're not getting that full fist-to-victim contact needed to deliver a touch spell. Magi are special and this limited-but-damaging contact is enough for them.
Yeah, that's what the rules say, but it's kinda weird. If your fist hits, your spell your be discharged even if the fist landed on armor, no? Oh well, I'll stick with the rules. Thank you!If you want fluff to match the crunch, think if it this way - when you punch someone unarmed or with a gauntlet, you're making solid contact with your fist. Similarly, a touch attach is a solid grasp or slap or even a hard poke. That's what the spell needs for a touch attack. But with a spiked gauntlet or weapon, the damage isn't necessarily coming from a solid contact; the spikes tear flesh as they graze by or you poke and penetrate flesh with the spikes but not deep enough to penetrate all the way to the base of the spike, so you're not getting that full fist-to-victim contact needed to deliver a touch spell. Magi are special and this limited-but-damaging contact is enough for them.
OK, I guess I'll stick with this, makes sense.