Bats casting somatic spells during flight


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How would you rule? Can a wild shaped druid (in the form of a dire bat) with the natural spell feat cast a somatic spell while in flight? What if the spell in question is produce flame (and is being held in the bat's "hand")?

This came up in my last gaming session, and I wasn't sure on how to rule it. I ended up letting him cast the spell and maintain the flame in his wings (just because he invoked cool imagery of a giant bat with flaming wings tearing through the sky). I also warned him that I wanted to explore other GMs thoughts/rulings on this before setting it up as a precedent for future rulings.


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Hey, if blink dogs can be effective sorcerers....

(In short, yes, I would allow druids with the natural spell feat to cast just fine as bats.)


blindwolf wrote:

How would you rule? Can a wild shaped druid (in the form of a dire bat) with the natural spell feat cast a somatic spell while in flight? What if the spell in question is produce flame (and is being held in the bat's "hand")?

This came up in my last gaming session, and I wasn't sure on how to rule it. I ended up letting him cast the spell and maintain the flame in his wings (just because he invoked cool imagery of a giant bat with flaming wings tearing through the sky). I also warned him that I wanted to explore other GMs thoughts/rulings on this before setting it up as a precedent for future rulings.

While in flight I assume you mean the character in question did a move action, then a spell as a standard? If that is the case I would allow it, possible with a concentration check at a low-mod DC depending on the circumstances.


If he's using his wings to fly (flapping) then maybe he can cast the spell with his feet? The Natural Spell feat says you can pull off casting with whatever limbs your animal form has, so which ones shouldn't be at issue. I mean, you could use it to cast as a snake- would you have to stop slithering?

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Lurk3r wrote:
If he's using his wings to fly (flapping) then maybe he can cast the spell with his feet? The Natural Spell feat says you can pull off casting with whatever limbs your animal form has, so which ones shouldn't be at issue. I mean, you could use it to cast as a snake- would you have to stop slithering?

Good Point. In story telling format, I mentioned that he's probably casting the spell using his little bat feet (to which he came up with the imagery of the flaming wings and pulled off the cool factor).

I do have to admit I am amused by the concept that a snake would have to use its tongue for the somatic component of a spell while attempting the verbal component at the same time...

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Thraxital wrote:
While in flight I assume you mean the character in question did a move action, then a spell as a standard? If that is the case I would allow it, possible with a concentration check at a low-mod DC depending on the circumstances.

Yup...that part was "book legal". I don't think I even made him do the concentration check...

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