Clerics, Neutral alignment, Deities question


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In 3.5e, Clerics that wanted to have a true Neutral alignment could only worship a deity that was only Neutral in alignment (and not the one step rule of LN, CN, NE, NG).

Is the Pathfinder Cleric limited in the same way? The original ruling was in the Alignment subtext in the Cleric description of the 3.5 PHB, but in Pathfinder I can't find any text re-stating this.

Does this mean a PF Cleric that is Neutral is free to choose not only a Neutral deity, but also a NE, NG, LN, or CN deity?


Alignment: A cleric’s alignment must be within one step
of her deity’s, along either the law/chaos axis or the good/
evil axis (see Chapter 7).

From the RAW yes and this is a case of RAW and RAI being equal IMHO


Talonhawke wrote:

Alignment: A cleric’s alignment must be within one step

of her deity’s, along either the law/chaos axis or the good/
evil axis (see Chapter 7).

From the RAW yes and this is a case of RAW and RAI being equal IMHO

So, yes, Neutral clerics in PF are no longer restricted to Neutral deities, they can actually serve a LN, CN, NG, or NE deity also?


Yep as long as it is one step.


This also applies to oracles as well, not just clerics.

Dark Archive

Razz wrote:
Talonhawke wrote:

Alignment: A cleric’s alignment must be within one step

of her deity’s, along either the law/chaos axis or the good/
evil axis (see Chapter 7).

From the RAW yes and this is a case of RAW and RAI being equal IMHO

So, yes, Neutral clerics in PF are no longer restricted to Neutral deities, they can actually serve a LN, CN, NG, or NE deity also?

Yes, though if you are neutral and worship a NG god then you still can only channle pos energy. If you are neutral and worship an evil god you still only channle neg energy. If you are neutral and worship a neutral god then you can choose.

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mdt wrote:
This also applies to oracles as well, not just clerics.

Oracles are a different kettle of fish. They don't serve deities in many cases, at least not consciously. They're essentially divine draftees given no particular choice in the matter. Still I'd say the alignment they follow will probably indicate which of a Mystery's sponsors is paying the greater amount of attention to them.

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mdt wrote:
This also applies to oracles as well, not just clerics.

Nope.

From the PRD:
Oracle

Quote:


Alignment: Any.

Cleric

Quote:


Alignment: A cleric's alignment must be within one step of her deity's, along either the law/chaos axis or the good/evil axis (see Additional Rules).

Oracles can have any alignment per the book. If you wish different in your game, that is a house rule.


I'm keeping the old restriction. It actually makes sense, since a partially neutral deity really focusses on its non-neutral alignment aspect.

Let's consider Abadar, for example. He's lawful neutral, because he doesn't care much for either good or evil as he things that both are distractions from what's really important: order!

That means that while he will tolerate good or evil characters, he'll probably absolutely insist on his priests being lawful. While LN is his preferred mode, he won't mind his priests being LG or LE - not ideal, but they're promoting order in their way.

A true neutral character, on the other hand, doesn't have a stake in order. He's either a fence sitter, one of those absolute balance freaks, or doesn't give a damn about any of the extreme choices - including lawful, which is very important for Abadar.

The same could be said for other such deities: NG gods like Shelyn and Sarenrae are all about being good, the CN ones like Calistria are totally nuts for chaos, and the NE ones want you to be evil.


Hmmm,
I thought there was a section of the Oracle that talked about those who worship gods needing to follow alignment restrictions.


mdt wrote:

Hmmm,

I thought there was a section of the Oracle that talked about those who worship gods needing to follow alignment restrictions.

Not in the PRD, as far as I can tell.


Joana wrote:
mdt wrote:

Hmmm,

I thought there was a section of the Oracle that talked about those who worship gods needing to follow alignment restrictions.

Not in the PRD, as far as I can tell.

Not exactly.

Power of Mystery come from the deity named in the Mystery.
APG 42: "...oracles garner strenght and power from many sources, namely those patrons deities who supports their ideals."

Effectively there is no rule which force a PC to be of an alignment, but the gods of one Mystery could not agree a alignment or a behavior.

Ex: Deities of Bones are Norgorber (NE), Pharasma (N) and Urgathoa (NE)
How could you explain they will accept a oracle LG?

Sure it depends how you consider the gods in your campaign, but don't forget that power of oracle draw from divine source.
A choice more roleplaying than "RAW", but if we play, i think it is also to do roleplay.

EDIT: i have one of my player who play an Oracle Mystery Life.
I will be very curious how my player could explain me that the choice of a spell like Poison is a good choice for a PC with the ideal of life...


Survival of the Fittest: Life is to be treasured, if you are not strong enough to treasure the life given to you by the gods, by surviving the poison, then you are not meant to use the Life Force imbued into you.


Defraeter wrote:


Effectively there is no rule which force a PC to be of an alignment, but the gods of one Mystery could not agree a alignment or a behavior.

Ex: Deities of Bones are Norgorber (NE), Pharasma (N) and Urgathoa (NE)
How could you explain they will accept a oracle LG?

They don't accept a lawful good oracle. They choose the oracle. The oracle doesn't even get to decline. As to why they get that mystery - it's a mystery!

The LG guy probably got it because he's bony in some way.

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