I can't wait for July 17th, I gotta know if Jesse really shot Gale.
Yes he did.
The camera did not show Gale's head popping open, and instead focused on Jesse's self-worth draining out.
Gale is dead. They are not tricking you.
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Yup - there was an interview with the creator, and he said that there was no intent for the last shot to be ambiguous. The pan was meant to just move to the character's POV, not imply that Jessie moved the gun away prior to firing.
Can't freaking wait. I dream of someday being as awesome as Saul.
Saul is my favorite character. Unlike Walter, he has no illusions about who or what he is.
I wouldn't be surprised to see season 4 be the tale of Jesse's redemption. Walter, on the other hand, is beyond redemption.
Saul's easily the funniest character on the show, but I've really come to enjoy watching Walt's contortions. He cooks because he's good at it and gets to feel appreciated for it in ways he doesn't get anywhere else in his life, but he's managed to dress that up into some kind of screwed-up paladinhood complex.
Yes he did.The creator has said as much, but I still have some misgivings
The camera did not show Gale's head popping open, and instead focused on Jesse's self-worth draining out.
Thus far, Jesse is the only character with any kind of integrity. Killing Gale takes that away from him. I'm sure he did kill Gale, I just don't like what it means for that character.
Yup - there was an interview with the creator, and he said that there was no intent for the last shot to be ambiguous. The pan was meant to just move to the character's POV, not imply that Jessie moved the gun away prior to firing.
I read that as well... Again, Walt is the killer body count 4 now, right?), Jesse isn't. For him to shoot Gale, it's huge.
Can't freaking wait. I dream of someday being as awesome as Saul.
Saul rocks, he is just the right amount of dirty.
I read that as well... Again, Walt is the killer body count 4 now, right?), Jesse isn't. For him to shoot Gale, it's huge.
It depends on how you count, I think.
The dealer from the first season that he strangled in Jesse's basement/garage is a clear kill, no bones about it. Likewise the two gangsters he shot right in front of Jesse this past season.
Jane is questionable. Walt didn't shoot her, but knew she was drowning in her own vomit and refused to help her. He let her die but it's not exactly the same thing. He was also racing against time to make the delivery to Gus's guys, so arguably it's cold blooded (as I recall the scene he noticed, realized what was happening, and consciously decided) but under considerably more duress than the three or four days he spent deciding to off the dealer and the premeditated hit on the two gangsters.
As I recall the finale, Walt pretty much ordered Jesse to kill Gale but Jesse did the deed. In principle they should share that one, but by the same token Jesse is the guy who was adamant that the dealer back in season one needed to die and they just flipped a coin for it. So if Walt counts for ordering the hit, and he probably should, then Jesse has to count one for doing much the same.
Samnell -
Jane - You're right that you can't necessarily pin Jane's death on him. I imagine Jesse might feel differently if he knew the truth. Walt knows that telling Jesse is a bad idea... Jane's death is kinda on him...
Samnell - ** spoiler omitted **
So the two from the RV in self-defense (They had guns on Walt and Jessee at the time.)
The other dealer from the RV who they kept in the basement and Walt killed in cold blood.
Then nothing but Jane for the run of season two, with her being questionable on aforementioned grounds.
Then the two guys he executed in the big finale last season.
Five kills for Walt, not counting Jane.
I'm sort of wondering if/when Jesse is going to find out that bombshell. (It would be almost impossible to trace to Walt, but Jesse is smart enough to wonder about the timing if something brings it to his attention and Walt has a habit of letting stuff slip that he shouldn't. Jesse decided he's the bad guy, and then Walt more or less made him really be the bad guy in the finale. Maybe he'd take a shot at Walt, but I think that conflict might be a series-killer since so much of the show is wrapped up in Walt and Jesse's relationship.
Samnell - I'm confused...
Add these two with the dealers from season 3, and you get 4 dead. Am I missing a Walter White kill?
Walt didn't kill Tuco's partner (Tuco killed him personally), not did he kill Tuco (Hank did that.)
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I give Walt 5 kills, including Jane.
2 from the RV (one died from gas, one died from strangulation)
2 gangers (hit with car, then bullet to the head)
Jane
He didn't kill Jane on his way to do the big meet-up with Mr. Chicken - he came back to Jessie's apartment after giving Jessie the money from Mr. Chicken to talk with him or take his money or someting like that. He rolled Jane from her side to her back, which made it possible for her to choke on her own vomit, and then did nothing when that happened.
That's my personal judgment, and I know it can be argued otherwise. Heck, I've seen people argue that Walt is guilty of killing all the people in the plane crash. I find him to have some level of moral culpability, but nothing rising to a legal level of culpability with regards to that. With regards to Jane, I think he's both morally and legally culpable for her death, but it's, at best, a lesser degree of murder, and even then, subject to debate.
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Since Sebastian let the cat out of the bag I suppose it's fine. :)
I think I must be misremembering the kills in the pilot. I thought there were three dealers involved in jacking Jesse: 8-ball and two others who he gassed.
I also didn't remember Walt rolling Jane over. Really have to watch the show again. :)
Did Walter actually touch Jane? As I recall, he just watched her from the door.
Samnell - yeah, it was just the two guys. It could be argued that even though it was his intent to kill 8-ball, Walt killed him in self-defense (8-ball tried to stab him first, with the plate shard.)
I have all 3 seasons, so I need to marathon 'em now in preparation for season 4.
I'm pretty sure he rolled her over, but I could be wrong. I binged on the series at the beginning of the year, from start to finish, so it's still pretty fresh in my mind. Plus, she made a big deal of how she always lies on her side due to the risk of death by vomit.
I do remember that comment now. Gonna have to watch it.
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I can't wait to see how things shake out with Mr. Chicken. I can't imagine a scenario in which both he and Walter survive and, given that Walter is the main character, things don't look so good for him...
Though, then again, this is Breaking Bad, which I find impossible to predict. I can't believe how many times this show has blind-sided me. My favorite was the episode with the cousins showing up at Walter's house just as the bad-ass fixer (his name escapes me, but he was bald and had a passing resemblance to Walt) was there. I ended the episode saying "Holy shit, they're going to kill that dude and think he's Walt" and when things went in a completely different direction, I laughed at how well I had been played.
I went back and rewatched the part where Jane dies. Here's how it went down.
Walt has already busted in and gotten the meth to give to Gus, so I misremembered that part. This is after Jane has extorted Jesse's half of the Gus cash out of Walt. He ends up in a bar talking to John De Lancie and decides he can't just write Jesse off. He goes back to the duplex to have a talk and sees Jane and Jesse in their heroin coma, Jane laying on her side up against Jesse.
So Walt breaks in, punching through the duct taped cardboard Jesse had up to patch the hole in the door he made last time, and tries to wake Jesse by giving him a little shake on his shoulder and calling his name. That doesn't cut it, so he sits down on the bed and gives Jesse a thorough shaking. This rolls Jane over on her back. Walt sees the needle and realizes when he can't wake Jesse up. Jane starts puking and choking.
Walt goes over and reaches out to roll her, sort of fumbling and hesitant like he's not quite sure what to do, but then pulls back and lets her drown. He stands there while she goes still and cries a little, then gives the camera a thousand yard stare before the credits.
Walt definitely chose to let Jane die but he's only accidentally responsible for rolling her on her back.
I can't wait to see how things shake out with Mr. Chicken. I can't imagine a scenario in which both he and Walter survive and, given that Walter is the main character, things don't look so good for him...
The writers can always surprise us, but I think you're right. I adore Gus and would love for him to be in the show for a long time still, but I don't think it's in the cards. Gus already went out on several limbs for Walt and from everything we know about the man, he's extremely cautious. There's no way he's letting a wildcard like Walt who has betrayed him in the past and shown repeated unreliability survive. It's Mr. Chicken or the Chemistry teacher.
I agree with Sebastian on the kill count front. I'm quite certain that Walt moved Jane, although it may have been an accident, he still didn't help.
I can't wait to see what happens when Gale is dead, anything could happen! I don't think Walt will die, at least not in the first episode, though that would be one hell of a twist! Also that dude is on his way to Gale's house, so Jesse is in danger too! So excited for Season 4!
Best show ever.
With Gale dead, Gus needs Walt. I expect that to be the major angle throughout this season. Gus is going to continue to try to eliminate Walt and likewise, Walt is going to try to stay a few steps ahead of Gus.
Mike, the fixer, is a wildcard. They're really set this guy up to be a major problem for Walt and Jesse. I wonder if he's gonna catch Jesse at Gale's apartment?