Mind-Affecting Effects and Unconscious Characters


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New to Pathfinder, we'll be starting our first game in about two weeks (Legacy of Fire). Going through the adventure, I've got a question.

In general, can mind-affecting effects affect an unconscious character? To me, my common sense would say the answer is no...the character's mind isn't really in a state to be affected by such things (unless they are visions or dreams specifically being placed into the unconscious, for example).

Specifically:

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I am wondering about the pugwampi unluck aura, and whether or not it would affect an unconscious character's stabilization rolls (which are d20 rolls). On the one hand, the ability says any d20 rolls, but on the other hand, it doesn't seem to make sense for a mind-affecting effect to affect an unconscious character.

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You always get a save if one is allowed by the spell or ability, regardless of your current mental status (or lack of same).

As far as the 'make sense' part: an unconscious character still has a mind. Maybe he is more vulnerable to attack, as he's out like a light (fails save). Maybe his mind is just too hard to reach (makes save). The fact that the characters has been KOed doesn't really matter. It's a good excuse for why things work/don't work.


In general I'd say that unconsciousness doesn't impact mind-affecting abilities. For instance, if someone uses charm person on a sleeping target, it should still work. Target gets a save and if the fail, when they wake up they're charmed.

You aren't mindless when you're unconscious.

You're only unable to take mental actions. There's a world of difference there. You're not an object, and you're not a mindless undead or construct. Your mind is still impacted.

So, to the specific in your case I'd have to say I'd still apply the effect. Yes, that could be a problem for PCs, but to be fair... what isn't a problem for PCs? There are cleric orisons (at will 0th-level spells) that could solve the problem. There are potions, and Heal checks and so on.

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