Howie23
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Howie23 wrote:An incorporeal can stay in an object and attack. Doing so is vs. total concealment (the target of the incorporeal has 50% miss); attacking this weay gives the incorporeal cover. Or, an incorporeal can come out of the object, thus negating the concealment if it attacks, but also meaning it gets no cover. The incorporeal doesn't have to emerge, but while it is attacking, part of it is out and can be attacked.I fail to see your reasoning.
We seem to have some very different views of how this works.
Unspoilered Incorporeal: An incorporeal creature can enter or pass through solid objects, but must remain adjacent to the object's exterior, and so cannot pass entirely through an object whose space is larger than its own. [A]It can sense the presence of creatures or objects within a square adjacent to its current location, but enemies have total concealment (50% miss chance) from an incorporeal creature that is inside an object. [B]In order to see beyond the object it is in and attack normally, the incorporeal creature must emerge. An incorporeal creature inside an object has total cover, but when it attacks a creature outside the object it only has cover, so a creature outside with a readied action could strike at it as it attacks. An incorporeal creature cannot pass through a force effect.
[A] Is for situations when two incorporeal creatures fight one another within a solid object.
I'm not sure where that interpretation comes from. The passage says nothing to indicate this. Breaking it down:
"An incorporeal creature can enter or pass through solid objects, but must remain adjacent to the object's exterior, and so cannot pass entirely through an object whose space is larger than its own."
This says an incorp can be in an object, but must remain adjacent to the exterior.
"[A]It can sense the presence of creatures or objects within a square adjacent to its current location, but enemies have total concealment (50% miss chance) from an incorporeal creature that is inside an object."
This says that it can sense creatures or objects adjacent to it's current location. It's current location may be inside an object (from the prior sentence). If it's inside an object, it can attack stuff that is adjacent; it just can't see it . If it does this (attack from inside an object), it can only sense the opponent and thus the opponent gets a 50% miss chance.
"[B] In order to attack normally, an incorporeal creature has to emege and thus no longer treats opponents as concealed and it loses its total cover.
Normally here means to be able to see it and attack without the miss chance. To do this, it has to come out, has no miss chance due to concealment, but loses its total cover.
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1) An incorporeal creature can enter or pass through solid objects, but must remain adjacent to the object's exterior, and so cannot pass entirely through an object whose space is larger than its own.
2) It can sense the presence of creatures or objects within a square adjacent to its current location, but enemies have total concealment (50% miss chance) from an incorporeal creature that is inside an object.
3) In order to see beyond the object it is in and attack normally, the incorporeal creature must emerge.
4) An incorporeal creature inside an object has total cover, but when it attacks a creature outside the object it only has cover, so a creature outside with a readied action could strike at it as it attacks.
5) An incorporeal creature cannot pass through a force effect.
Clarification
1) This enables incorporeal creatures of a small or medium size to pass through a solid wall that is 5' thick, thus move into other rooms and move freely in a dungeon.
2) An incorporeal creature inside of a solid object can attack anything within a 5' square of it's location. All targets of this attack have total concealment (50% miss chance). This includes attacking other incorporeal creatures inside of an object or targets adjacent to the object.
3) In order to see it's normal sensory range and attack normally (Without all of their targets having total concealment) they are required to emerge from the solid object leaving it exposed to attack.
4) When attacking a target adjacent to a solid object (not inside) they are required to emerge from that object partially to strike. While doing this, they only have cover bonuses to their AC (not total cover). Anyone within range of that attack can use a readied action to strike them during this time.
5) Incorporeal creatures cannot pass through force effects, this includes all magical and metaphysical properties that cause a layer of force over an object. Ex: Wall of force cannot be penetrated by an incorporeal creature.
Hope that clears up some of your headache. :)