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I have a cleric that will be going Holy Vindicator. She already has the Healing domain Healers Blessing. Does the class ability of Holy Vindicator stack? And if so, would it be +50% doubled, +100% or just +75% like multipliers that stack?
Healer's Blessing (Su): At 6th level, all of your cure spells are treated as if they were empowered, increasing the amount of damage healed by half (+50%). This does not apply to damage dealt to undead with a cure spell. This does not stack with the Empower Spell metamagic feat.
Faith Healing (Su): At 3rd level, any cure wounds spells a vindicator casts on himself are automatically empowered as if by the Empower Spell feat, except they do not use higher spell level slots or an increased casting time. If the vindicator targets himself with a cure spell that affects multiple creatures, this ability only applies to himself. At 8th level, these healing spells are maximized rather than empowered.
Unfortunately, I am pretty sure you only get the empowered bonus once.
Both abilities basically count your healing spells as being empowered. Metamagic effects can't be placed on the same spell twice, so its not empowered twice, its just empowered.
I would feel better about this if the wordings of these abilities were more consistent though. I can see someone attempting to rules-lawyer that the Healer's Blessing adds another +50% on to the empowered healing spell cast by a Faith Healing Holy Vindicator since it says 'as if they were empowered' and not simply 'is automatically empowered.'
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I understand, and see that both say 'Empowered'. Although I agree on the 'as if' being not an exact duplicate of metamagics not stacking. Now this same character I want to eventually take the Achievement feat: Healer’s Touch
Prerequisites: Cure a cumulative total of 1,000 points of damage for other creatures using healing spells. Dealing damage slows progress toward this goal achievement; for every 1 point of damage you deal to another creature, reduce your cumulative healing total by 2.
Benefit: When you cast a healing spell to heal a target other than yourself, the spell is maximized as though using the Maximize Spell effect. This does not increase your casting time for the spell...
And the last line of Maximize makes me think this WOULD stack with the Healers Blessing part, but cannot with Faith Healing:
An empowered, maximized spell gains the separate benefits of each feat: the maximum result plus half the normally rolled result.
What do you think?
What do you think?
i'm going to put my vote with ESM's also for pretty much the same reasons.
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THey definitely don´t stack.... This doesn`t even depend on `generic` metamagic rules,
Healer`s Blessings says it doesn`t stack with Empower Metamagic Feat, and Faith Healing counts `as if` it were Empower Metamagic Feat. That`s what `as if` means, it counts as and is treated as something else, even though it`s a distinct ability technically (i.e. allowing for distinct limitations, e.g. not applying to damage vs. undead via cure spells as in this ability)
But it looks like your player has something to look forward to: at 8th level of Holy Vindicator, the empower switches to maximize, but since she still has the Healer`s Blessing, she would then get BOTH empower and maximize (which there`s specific rules for, basically 100% max normal effect, plus 50% variable effect)
Are you counting Breath of Life as a Cure Spell?