SRD Wrote:
You can use ranged weapons while your mount is taking a double move, but at a –4 penalty on the attack roll. You can use ranged weapons while your mount is running (quadruple speed) at a –8 penalty. In either case, you make the attack roll when your mount has completed half its movement. You can make a full attack with a ranged weapon while your mount is moving. Likewise, you can take move actions normally.
This implies that with a regular move incurs no penalty on a ranged attack. However it doesn't say anything about if you want to attack at any point NOT during the move. Could one not shoot their bow with no penalty and THEN have the horse double move? Or could you atleast make a single attack then your mount make a single move? Or must it be done in the middle of movement regardless?
And as for taking move actions normally? Does that only apply when using ranged attacks? And what exactly does "normally" mean? Can I fast mount and then have my mount double move, take my shot at -4 in the middle, fast dismount, then use my move action to move?
Or could I even fast mount, have my mount charge an enemy, then fast dismount, move to another enemy and then attack him?
This stuff is really blowing my mind so any help is greatly appreciated.
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SRD Wrote:
You can use ranged weapons while your mount is taking a double move, but at a –4 penalty on the attack roll. You can use ranged weapons while your mount is running (quadruple speed) at a –8 penalty. In either case, you make the attack roll when your mount has completed half its movement. You can make a full attack with a ranged weapon while your mount is moving. Likewise, you can take move actions normally.This implies that with a regular move incurs no penalty on a ranged attack. However it doesn't say anything about if you want to attack at any point NOT during the move. Could one not shoot their bow with no penalty and THEN have the horse double move? Or could you atleast make a single attack then your mount make a single move? Or must it be done in the middle of movement regardless?
And as for taking move actions normally? Does that only apply when using ranged attacks? And what exactly does "normally" mean? Can I fast mount and then have my mount double move, take my shot at -4 in the middle, fast dismount, then use my move action to move?
Or could I even fast mount, have my mount charge an enemy, then fast dismount, move to another enemy and then attack him?
This stuff is really blowing my mind so any help is greatly appreciated.
I strongly suggest reading the Rules of the Games articles on mounted combat. I have posted the links here.
Essentially, you'll be best served with the idea that, while you use your mounts move speed and his move actions, your actions have to overlay those actions in time, so that the total time consumed is as normal (move/standard or full action, either with free actions).
I strongly suggest reading the Rules of the Games articles on mounted combat. I have posted the links here.
Essentially, you'll be best served with the idea that, while you use your mounts move speed and his move actions, your actions have to overlay those actions in time, so that the total time consumed is as normal (move/standard or full action, either with free actions).
But it specifically said you may use your move actions as normal.
I remember reading that article way back when, I guess I should refresh my memory.
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I strongly suggest reading the Rules of the Games articles on mounted combat. I have posted the links here.
Essentially, you'll be best served with the idea that, while you use your mounts move speed and his move actions, your actions have to overlay those actions in time, so that the total time consumed is as normal (move/standard or full action, either with free actions).
But it specifically said you may use your move actions as normal.
I remember reading that article way back when, I guess I should refresh my memory.
You may use your move equivalent actions as normal, while the mount is moving. In order for a character to move, fast mount, then the mount double move or charge, and then the character to fast dismount and move again, the amount of time that has passed is the equivalent of 12 seconds during a 6 second round. Keep it to 6 seconds in a 6 second round and it will make more sense. The actions of characters are understood to be taking place during the entire round, even if resolved in initiative order.
You may use your move equivalent actions as normal, while the mount is moving. In order for a character to move, fast mount, then the mount double move or charge, and then the character to fast dismount and move again, the amount of time that has passed is the equivalent of 12 seconds during a 6 second round. Keep it to 6 seconds in a 6 second round and it will make more sense. The actions of characters are understood to be taking place during the entire round, even if resolved in initiative order.I strongly suggest reading the Rules of the Games articles on mounted combat. I have posted the links here.
Essentially, you'll be best served with the idea that, while you use your mounts move speed and his move actions, your actions have to overlay those actions in time, so that the total time consumed is as normal (move/standard or full action, either with free actions).
But it specifically said you may use your move actions as normal.
I remember reading that article way back when, I guess I should refresh my memory.
I'm aware of the abstraction of initiative, but to say some move actions take longer than others, so you can do this but not that, but in but when mounted you can do this AND that, but not the other thing kinda messes with it.
After reading the RotG, it did help. But really all it did is said yeah you can take move actions, just not moving, which makes a lot of sense, but does kinda contradict the phrase you may use your move actions NORMALLY.
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I'm aware of the abstraction of initiative, but to say some move actions take longer than others, so you can do this but not that, but in but when mounted you can do this AND that, but not the other thing kinda messes with it.
Excellent regarding the abstraction of initiative. I hope it didn't come off as talking down to you. I'm not sure what you are saying about some move actions taking longer than others.
After reading the RotG, it did help. But really all it did is said yeah you can take move actions, just not moving, which makes a lot of sense, but does kinda contradict the phrase you may use your move actions NORMALLY.
It isn't all it says. See the section on mounting/dismounting in part one. I understand what you're saying about taking move actions normally. The rest of this may help. In any case, good gaming!
"Likewise, you can take move actions normally." This comes in a subsection titled Combat while Mounted. Also in that section is "You move at its speed, but the mount uses its action to move." Both of these sentences talk about what happens when you are mounted. What you are objecting to, if I understand correctly is about using the word "normally" out of the section on what do to "while mounted," and applying it to when you aren't mounted.
A character is on foot; he isn't mounted...nothing about mounted combat applies. He moves as normal to a position next to his mount. He fast mounts and hops into the saddle. Now the section on Mounted combat kicks in...He can take move actions normally AND you move at the mount's speed, with the mount using its action. The mount moves. The time that has passed is one move (character moving) and a second move (mount moving). Two moves. No time left. Done.
Going back to your original post, you can shoot while moving, using a full attack action doing so while the mount double moves or runs; penalty applies. Or, you can shoot first then move (your standard followed by the mount's move); you could take a move action during the mounts move. Or, you can move first (mount's move), taking a move action while the mount moves, and then shoot after (your standard action). In the cases where the mount's move and your standard are sequential, there is no penalty for moving.
"Likewise, you can take move actions normally." This comes in a subsection titled Combat while Mounted.
Ah, there's a thread that ties it together. This makes it work in my brain a lot better. There's still a little bit of clogged wheel, but it runs a lot smoother than it did.
What I was trying to say about different move actions was that it's strange to say you can take a move action with your mount then another while mounted and then a standard, when if unmounted you could only use one of those move actions and your standard.