Flurry of Blows- Improved two weapon fighting negatives

[wickedb]

Maybe I'm missing something (again) but on every forum about flurry of blows the only penalties I see are -2.
But the penalties for "improved two weapon fighting" is an additional -5, and this is what the Monk receives at level 8.... correct? Shouldn't that 3rd attack be at a -7 (not talking about BAB)?

[Talynonyx]

It is at a -7. 8-7 = 1.

[wickedb]

Talynonyx wrote:

8-7 = 1.

Oh man- now you brought up BAB. The Flurry of Blows attack bonus chart in the book (pg58) says for 8th level

+6/+6/+1/+1

So I assumed -2 for each attack for the 'dual weilding' penalty and a -5 penalty on the last two attacks are from having a high enough BAB to have a second attack.
But then again I'm utterly confused.

[wickedb]

There doesnt seem to be a mention about the -7 from improved two weapon fighting...

[Ksorkrax]

What's the talk about TWF? Flurry of Blows is not TWF. You can't apply the rules of TWF to it.

[Symar]

What -7 from ITWF?
There's the -2 for using two weapons, and the additional attack granted by ITWF at a -5 penalty.
Yes, that's -7 total, and it's already factored into the Monk's Flurry table.

[wickedb]

Yes, that's -7 total, and it's already factored into the Monk's Flurry table.

Then what is the -5 reduction in the level 7 FoB attack Bonus +5/+5/+0.

[wickedb]

Ksorkrax wrote:

What's the talk about TWF? Flurry of Blows is not TWF. You can't apply the rules of TWF to it.

"as if using the Two-weapon fighting feat", you're supposed to apply the rules to it.

[Indrajit]

wickedb wrote:

Yes, that's -7 total, and it's already factored into the Monk's Flurry table.

Then what is the -5 reduction in the level 7 FoB attack Bonus +5/+5/+0.

That would be for his first iterative attack. Remember that a monk flurrys at a full base attack progression

[Symar]

wickedb wrote:

Then what is the -5 reduction in the level 7 FoB attack Bonus +5/+5/+0.

Standard iterative attack at -5.

[wickedb]

Indrajit wrote:

That would be for his first iterative attack. Remember that a monk flurrys at a full base attack progression

oh man- that finally clicked!!

8 (minus 2 from twf) =6
8 (minus 2 from twf) =6
8 (minus 2 from twf, minus 5 from ITWF) =1
8 (minus 2 from twf, minus 5 from iterative attack) =1

+6/+6/+1/+1

Ah HA! It's both!

Thank you :D
(edited for stupidity)

[wickedb]

Not to drag is out but I remember it differently in 3.5.
If the monk actually has the TWF feat and is wielding a staff (Double, Monk), does the TWF and FoB stack?

[Symar]

Flurry *was* different in 3.5 It was (up to) 2 extra attacks at your highest BAB, but you were only at 3/4 BAB the entire time.

And no, because Flurry is already incorporating the TWF feats.