Alchemist casting (Drinking) times for extracts

[Kerobelis]

Hi

A few questions about extracts.

The errata states (and in the latest pdf):

An alchemist can draw and drink an extract as a standard
action.

1) Does this override casting times of spells like Enlarge and Summon Nature's Ally (preservationist archetype)?

2) If the alchemist has the infusion discovery, does the same apply to whomever uses the extract or do you treat others that use the extract as a potion (i.e. an action to draw it and an action to use it)?

The rules implies that all extracts are created in advance (unlike bombs), 1 minute per extract, and you just drink them when you need them as a standard action.

I admit, I find extracts a bit confusing when you compare them to spells and potions.

[Kerobelis]

Kerobelis wrote:

Hi

A few questions about extracts.

The errata states (and in the latest pdf):

An alchemist can draw and drink an extract as a standard
action.

1) Does this override casting times of spells like Enlarge and Summon Nature's Ally (preservationist archetype)?

2) If the alchemist has the infusion discovery, does the same apply to whomever uses the extract or do you treat others that use the extract as a potion (i.e. an action to draw it and an action to use it)?

The rules implies that all extracts are created in advance (unlike bombs), 1 minute per extract, and you just drink them when you need them as a standard action.

I admit, I find extracts a bit confusing when you compare them to spells and potions.

No ideas or thoughts? I am playing my first ever alchemist this Sunday. He definately is an advanced class.

[reefwood]

Kerobelis wrote:

Hi

A few questions about extracts.

The errata states (and in the latest pdf):

An alchemist can draw and drink an extract as a standard
action.

I don't know the answers off-hand, but maybe I can offer some advice on how to find them...

Kerobelis wrote:

1) Does this override casting times of spells like Enlarge and Summon Nature's Ally (preservationist archetype)?

What do the rules say about how long it takes for an extract to take affect? Drawing and drinking the extract are one thing, and you can do this with a standard action. Do the rules say that the extract takes place immediately? Or that they work just like potions? Because potions take effect immediately.

EDIT: I found this line - "An extract is “cast” by drinking it, as if imbibing a potion" - which seems to indicate it functions just like a potion when drank, so the effect would take place immediately.

Kerobelis wrote:

2) If the alchemist has the infusion discovery, does the same apply to whomever uses the extract or do you treat others that use the extract as a potion (i.e. an action to draw it and an action to use it)?

That is a good question, but seeing how extracts usually only work for the Alchemist... if the infusion discovery lets extracts work on other characters in the same way, then I think it would be fair to say that other characters can retrieve/drink it in the same way. This makes them slightly more powerful than potions since they take less actions to use, but that also means the Alchemist has less extracts to use himself, so that seems fair enough.

[Auros Sathrum]

Kerobelis wrote:

1) Does this override casting times of spells like Enlarge and Summon Nature's Ally (preservationist archetype)?

I would say yes. Specific overrides general, and I would be hard pressed to find a reason why a particular 1 ounce vial of liquid takes longer to drink than another.

Kerobelis wrote:

2) If the alchemist has the infusion discovery, does the same apply to whomever uses the extract or do you treat others that use the extract as a potion (i.e. an action to draw it and an action to use it)?

By RAW, yes. While the rules say that extracts are "potionlike" and "in many ways like spells in potion form" it never states that they are handled like potions. Therefore, the rules specific to extracts would apply.