Evolved Familiar, scaling effects, and other questions


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The evolved familiar feat from Ultimate Magic allows your familiar to have a 1-point evolution of your choice.

Do you use you character level instead of summoner level when determining effects that scale (such as resistance or improved natural armor)?

Also, if an evolution requires certain limbs or base forms, can the familiar get them if he has similar limbs/body shape, or are those options wholly off the table?


Ravingdork wrote:

Do you use you character level instead of summoner level when determining effects that scale (such as resistance or improved natural armor)?

I would assume they don't scale.


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stringburka wrote:
Ravingdork wrote:

Do you use you character level instead of summoner level when determining effects that scale (such as resistance or improved natural armor)?

I would assume they don't scale.

Kind of a crappy feat if they don't. It's not like energy resistance 15 on your familiar is going to e anywhere near as good as having it on you or your animal companion.


Ravingdork wrote:
stringburka wrote:
Ravingdork wrote:

Do you use you character level instead of summoner level when determining effects that scale (such as resistance or improved natural armor)?

I would assume they don't scale.
Kind of a crappy feat if they don't. It's not like energy resistance 15 on your familiar is going to e anywhere near as good as having it on you or your animal companion.

Agreed. But there's a lot of crappy feats.

I must say that although I don't own the book, it seems as if there's a lot of bad stuff in it. Many too-weak-to-even-consider options, many bugs and stuff that need to be errata'ed, and just general low quality. It may be that it's that kind of stuff that finds the forum, but I don't know. I hope that quality isn't a sinking priority for paizo stuff.


stringburka wrote:
I must say that although I don't own the book, it seems as if there's a lot of bad stuff in it. Many too-weak-to-even-consider options, many bugs and stuff that need to be errata'ed, and just general low quality. It may be that it's that kind of stuff that finds the forum, but I don't know. I hope that quality isn't a sinking priority for paizo stuff.

That is a wholly false impression. Ultimate Magic is packed full of great things and really opens up a lot of new options for players and GMs alike. The quality is perfectly fine, the number of needed erratas is in line with the norm.

Raving Dork wrote:
Do you use you character level instead of summoner level when determining effects that scale (such as resistance or improved natural armor)?

Natural armor evolution doesn't scale, you're allowed to take the evolution multiple times based on level.

A single feat that grants +2 to AC is pretty good, I'd say. More than double the bonus gotten from Dodge, Stone Skin and Shield Focus. How's that a weak option?

Regarding evolutions that grant an attack (say tail slap), you can first take the feat to grant your frog a tail, then take the tail slap evolution. That is legal. Actual scaling evolutions (like resistance) may or may not scale, presumably that will be settled in the future.

You can give your familiar the "skilled" evolution. +8 racial bonus to a skill is pretty awesome. I don't think there is anything to complain about with this feat. Other than unclarity about scaling. The power level, certainly, is good.

Something that hasn't come up, which could be argued about maybe is that a human at level 1 can take the feat twice - would that qualify the familiar to get a 2-point evolution? By RAW not, obviously, but should it work?


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