Ok,
Interesting statistics. Here's a breakdown of Arcane vs Divine spells between Core, APG, and UM. Note, if two classes can cast the spell at different spell levels, then it's counted at both levels. Also, if the spell can be cast by both arcane and divine casters, it's in both counts. Also, spells like Magic Circle of Protection and Detect Evil/Good/Etc were all considered multiple spells (4 each).
Arcane
Cantrips - 29
1st Level - 112
2nd Level - 134
3rd Level - 132
4th Level - 115
5th Level - 105
6th Level - 94
7th Level - 64
8th Level - 46
9th Level - 42
Divine
Orisons - 17
1st Level - 115
2nd Level - 137
3rd Level - 127
4th Level - 120
5th Level - 72
6th Level - 51
7th Level - 38
8th Level - 37
9th Level - 35
So, you can see, Divine get's a small bump at 2nd and 1st level, but otherwise Arcane has many more spells.
Just thought it was interesting.
hmm, being a fan of statistics meself... quite interesting. Thanks!
One thing I'll point out is that arcane casters usually have smaller personal spell lists (a wizard has a spellbook, clerics "know" every cleric spell.)
So on an individual basis, clerics still have more spells than wizards.
One thing I'll point out is that arcane casters usually have smaller personal spell lists (a wizard has a spellbook, clerics "know" every cleric spell.)
So on an individual basis, clerics still have more spells than wizards.
True,
But I think the reason there's more lower level Divine spells is that there are more classes with limited divine spellcasting. All the 4 level spell casters are divine, which skews a bunch of spells toward the low end.
One thing I'll point out is that arcane casters usually have smaller personal spell lists (a wizard has a spellbook, clerics "know" every cleric spell.)
So on an individual basis, clerics still have more spells than wizards.
True,
But I think the reason there's more lower level Divine spells is that there are more classes with limited divine spellcasting. All the 4 level spell casters are divine, which skews a bunch of spells toward the low end.
And so far the 6 level spell casters are arcane, correct? To account for the near triple digit lvl 5-6 arcane spells.
And so far the 6 level spell casters are arcane, correct? To account for the near triple digit lvl 5-6 arcane spells.One thing I'll point out is that arcane casters usually have smaller personal spell lists (a wizard has a spellbook, clerics "know" every cleric spell.)
So on an individual basis, clerics still have more spells than wizards.
True,
But I think the reason there's more lower level Divine spells is that there are more classes with limited divine spellcasting. All the 4 level spell casters are divine, which skews a bunch of spells toward the low end.
Yep, I think that's correct.
Inquisitor is (the only) divine 6-level spellcaster.
And Alchemist is...different. (Technically Arcane, though.)
Inquisitor is (the only) divine 6-level spellcaster.
And Alchemist is...different. (Technically Arcane, though.)
You are right I totally forgot about the Inquisitor
Inquisitor is (the only) divine 6-level spellcaster.
And Alchemist is...different. (Technically Arcane, though.)
Oh, yeah, I didn't include the Alchemist stuff, since it's not really a spell. Should have put that in the original post.
OR! Maybe Jason just likes wizards better than clerics!
Being a big fan of clerics, that's my conspiracy theory, at least.
Bah! Divine casters get healing spells, d8 HD, 3/4 BAB progression, learn all spells of a level upon gaining a given spell level (exceptions: Oracle, Inquisitor). And clerics specifically have two domains that grant additional powers, and spells, rounding out the fact that they don't have as much blasting/controlling potential as wizards, as opposed to the optional favored school that gives firmly OK powers at a pretty harsh penalty, and also have a way of healing comrades without expending spell slots.
Admittedly, I have not looked into UM, and so, cannot speak for whatever was/wasn't added for clerics and wizards (though what I've heard of arcane discoveries sounded nifty), but I'm gonna go ahead and say that of two powerful casting classes/types, divine still beats arcane (though not as badly as it used to with arcane d4 HD, and clerics having heavy armor proficiency) and clerics still beat wizards.
Edit: And divine isn't subject to spell failure in armor.
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Ok,
More statistics. All these assume Magic Circle and Protection From and Detect spells are broken up (Magic Circle against Evil, Magic Circle Against Good, etc). These include all the spells from the Core, APG, and UM (the counts may be off a bit, since there's some confusion about some spells that were listed in the spell lists but never actually got published, this is going off the spell lists).
Alchemist
1st level : 24
2nd level : 34
3rd level : 30
4th level : 26
5th level : 19
6th level : 17
Total Spells : 150
Antipaladin
1st level : 17
2nd level : 17
3rd level : 15
4th level : 11
Total Spells : 60
Bard
0th level : 19
1st level : 55
2nd level : 67
3rd level : 53
4th level : 38
5th level : 30
6th level : 29
Total Spells : 291
Cleric
0th level : 13
1st level : 43
2nd level : 53
3rd level : 50
4th level : 43
5th level : 45
6th level : 31
7th level : 23
8th level : 23
9th level : 20
Total Spells : 344
Druid
0th level : 14
1st level : 42
2nd level : 48
3rd level : 42
4th level : 38
5th level : 29
6th level : 24
7th level : 16
8th level : 17
9th level : 17
Total Spells : 287
Inquisitor
0th level : 15
1st level : 44
2nd level : 45
3rd level : 44
4th level : 39
5th level : 28
6th level : 21
Total Spells : 236
Magus
0th level : 15
1st level : 26
2nd level : 27
3rd level : 32
4th level : 24
5th level : 18
6th level : 22
Total Spells : 164
Oracle
0th level : 13
1st level : 43
2nd level : 51
3rd level : 51
4th level : 42
5th level : 45
6th level : 31
7th level : 23
8th level : 23
9th level : 20
Total Spells : 342
Paladin
1st level : 31
2nd level : 24
3rd level : 21
4th level : 21
Total Spells : 97
Ranger
1st level : 40
2nd level : 34
3rd level : 25
4th level : 13
Total Spells : 112
Sorcerer
0th level : 27
1st level : 78
2nd level : 91
3rd level : 85
4th level : 77
5th level : 76
6th level : 69
7th level : 64
8th level : 46
9th level : 41
Total Spells : 654
Summoner
0th level : 12
1st level : 29
2nd level : 31
3rd level : 40
4th level : 26
5th level : 22
6th level : 16
Total Spells : 176
Witch
0th level : 16
1st level : 45
2nd level : 53
3rd level : 52
4th level : 45
5th level : 35
6th level : 32
7th level : 29
8th level : 24
9th level : 20
Total Spells : 351
Wizard
0th level : 27
1st level : 78
2nd level : 91
3rd level : 85
4th level : 77
5th level : 76
6th level : 69
7th level : 64
8th level : 46
9th level : 41
Total Spells : 654
Total Spells that can be put in wands : 757
Total Spells that can be made into oils/potions : 219
Total Spells : 1123
Wow. That must've taken some time...
Wow. That must've taken some time...
It did, but it was worth it. I now have a database of all the spells, by level, by class, including which ones can be made into a potion or wand, how much each costs, etc. Makes random loot much easier. :)
And they'd say it as though a Sorcerer gets to make use of 600+ spells. Or that a Wizard even CARES about more than 1 or 2 hundred of those spells.
A question mdt: shouldn't the Wizard and Sorcere spell list differ slightly in number, since there are few wizard only spells?
A question mdt: shouldn't the Wizard and Sorcere spell list differ slightly in number, since there are few wizard only spells?
Possibly,
I had thought there were a couple of wizard only spells, but I couldn't find any when I went looking. It's entirely possible I missed them though. If you have specific spells, I'd be happy to update my numbers.
Mnemonic Enhancer, Mage's Lucubration. Core Rulebook.
Mnemonic Enhancer, Mage's Lucubration. Core Rulebook.
Thanks, I'll update my database.
Mnemonic Enhancer, Mage's Lucubration. Core Rulebook.Thanks, I'll update my database.
Check in case other sources - I didn't find them but I could have missed. These spells have a "wizard only" tag.