Alchemist Archetype Permutations...

[0gre]

Archetypes
My 10 word or less description of the various archetypes:
Chirurgeon - Healing stuff in exchange for Poison Use
Clone Master - Wimpy bombs, Make clones and Simulacra, never die.
Internal Alchemist - Cool breath holding suspended animation stuff.
Mind Chemist - Cognatogens = Brain Mutagens. Plus some Knowledge Stuff.
Preservationist - Little animals in bottles (Summon Natures Ally). Pokemist? Alchemon?
Psychonaut - Diviner/ mind-walker Alchemist.
Reanimator - Braaaains! Yep... this is the zombie maker alchemist
Vivisectionist - Sneak attack... Preservationist
Anthropomorphic Animals WHAT?

Archetype Permutations
It looks like some care was taken to make the Alchemist Archtypes compatible with each other where appropriate. The following is a list of all the valid permutations of the various archetypes.... I highlighted my favorites.

Chirurgeon, Internal Alchemist
Chirurgeon, Internal Alchemist, Vivisectionist
Chirurgeon, Reanimator
Chirurgeon, Vivisectionist
Clone Master, Internal Alchemist
Internal Alchemist, Preservationist
Internal Alchemist, Preservationist, Reanimator
Internal Alchemist, Preservationist, Vivisectionist
Internal Alchemist, Psychonaut
Internal Alchemist, Vivisectionist
Preservationist, Reanimator
Preservationist, Vivisectionist

[Qik]

Thanks for sussing these out, 0gre. Big fan of your alchemist guide, btw - I started playing Pathfinder a few months ago, and was really drawn to the class. Your guides gave me a lot of great food for thought.

I'd be curious to hear a more extended version of your thoughts, if you happen to get the chance at some point.

[Mathwei ap Niall]

I would also love to hear your take on the new alchemist changes, especially the Preservationist/Vivisectionist.

I have this crazy idea for a Ranger/Alchemist with a Anthropomorphic Wolf animal companion stewing around in my brain now.

[0gre]

Thanks, I am writing something up for my blog on Ultimate Magic. I'll include this bit too.

[0gre]

Added a new section on the alchemists Guide.

Really just scratching the surface of most options. I might write a bit more later.

[Muser]

Am I missing something or why wouldn't Mindchemist stack with the other archetypes? It only replaces poison use and mutagen.

A mindchemist/vivisectionist is a roguekiller. It's just...gah...what use is a rogue anymore?

[NecisVenator]

Curious if you've looked at Bramble Brewer combos yet 0gre. I am helping one of my players assemble a Bramble Brewer/Chirurgeon/Internal Alchemist (a combo of his concepts and my suggestion of Chirurgeon).

Since the party has no primary healer, Chirurgeon was highly supported by me. From what I can tell it is a valid combo.

And poison resistance +6 is unaffected by the prior swap for the skill bonus heal?

[slitherrr]

NecisVenator wrote:

And poison resistance +6 is unaffected by the prior swap for the skill bonus heal?

No, since it is part of a progression (+2, +4, +6, immunity), that +6 becomes +4 (and "swift poison" becomes "poison use"). It's an obscure quote, but this is the relevant bit (UM p 14):

Ultimate Magic p. 14 wrote:

If an archetype replaces a class ability that is part of a series of improvements or additions to a base ability (such as a fighter’s weapon training or a ranger’s favored enemy), the next time the character would gain that ability, it counts as the lower-level ability that was replaced by the archetype. In effect, all abilities in that series are delayed until the next time the class improves that ability. For example, if an archetype replaces a rogue’s +2d6 sneak attack bonus at 3rd level, when she reaches 5th level and gains a sneak attack bonus, her sneak attack doesn’t jump from +1d6 to +3d6—it improves to +2d6, just as if she had finally gained the increase at 3rd level. This adjustment continues for every level at which her sneak attack would improve, until at 19th
level she has +9d6 instead of the +10d6 of a standard rogue.

Source: http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mgp5?Chirurgeon-Alchemist-Archetype-Question-a bout