Oracle of Bones, Multiclass cleric and Channel

[Mojorat]

if a lvl 7 Oracle with the Command Undead Revelation Multiclasses to level 1 Cleric how do the Two channel abilities interact?

Does the character end up with
a) Channel to harm of a lvl 1 cleric and channel to control of a lvl 8 cleric?

b)the Two just combine for a full working lvl 8 channeling?

or c) Do they not interact at all since cleric and oracle Channeling uses different stats.

finally apologies for Posting this again, I make a lot of typos on my iPad so decided to re-word on a proper Keboard.

[Mojorat]

Im starting to think this was a bad Concept that no one has an Opinion on it.

[FallingIcicle]

As far as I know, class abilities from different classes do not stack unless otherwise noted. This is why prestige classes that grant Sneak Attack, for example, specifically state that it stacks with the Sneak Attack of other classes. Familiars likewise specifically state that they use the combined levels of any class that grants them. Channel Energy doesn't specify this.

[FallingIcicle]

Out of curiosity, why do you want to make an Oracle with a single level of Cleric?

[LordZod]

Mojorat wrote:

a) Channel to harm of a lvl 1 cleric and channel to control of a lvl 8 cleric?

b)the Two just combine for a full working lvl 8 channeling?

or c) Do they not interact at all since cleric and oracle Channeling uses different stats.

It's definitely not B, because there is no text stating the abilities stack. (See Paladin or Holy Vindicator Channel for clarification). Undead Servitude != Channel Energy.

In fact, an Oracle of Bones cannot use Channel Negative Energy on his own for any purpose other than Command Undead. He cannot heal Undead with it. Nor can he harm living creatures as a Cleric could.

Channel Energy and Undead Servitude actually do use the same stat, which is Charisma. That being said you do gain the ability to Channel Negative Energy when you take the level in Cleric. The usages per day do not stack, nor does the "cleric level" to use them.

As you guessed, you are a level 7 "Cleric" for purposes of using Undead Servitude. You are a level 1 Cleric for purposes of channeling negative energy to heal undead or harm living creatures. In addition to this, you would still only channel at 1D6 die and not as an 8th level Cleric.

The feat Extra Channel would have no reason to exist if a player could simply take a level in Oracle (or Cleric) to get more channel attempts per day. These abilities would overlap and not stack, even if the Oracle was a life mystery Oracle.

FallingIcicle wrote:

Out of curiosity, why do you want to make an Oracle with a single level of Cleric?

Because if they did stack it would be 3 + CHA more channels a day and access to some domain powers. Or so I'd assume the OP's logic is.

[Mojorat]

You know i hadnt thought of wording int he Stacking. I'll read what Oracle of Life Says. I just assumed they were the same power But the Oracle one was limited.

As for Why, The Bleed Revelation mostly. When i hit lvl 5 it will be 2 bleed after i use a negative energy Effect. With my charisma i can Exclude my whole party from the Effect.

So just Mass Channel negative energ, even if they save they start bleeding.

I just assumed they were the same ability with limitations on the Oracle of bones one.

[LordZod]

Mojorat wrote:

You know i hadnt thought of wording int he Stacking. I'll read what Oracle of Life Says. I just assumed they were the same power But the Oracle one was limited.

As for Why, The Bleed Revelation mostly. When i hit lvl 5 it will be 2 bleed after i use a negative energy Effect. With my charisma i can Exclude my whole party from the Effect.

So just Mass Channel negative energ, even if they save they start bleeding.

I just assumed they were the same ability with limitations on the Oracle of bones one.

Oracle of life essentially gives you your Oracle level for using Channel "as a cleric". This is to be juxtaposed with the obvious limits on a Bone Oracle, which receives absolutely no channeling ability (and also no text about oracle levels stacking or counting as an effective cleric level) other than being able to command undead.

With one level in Cleric your character would only do/heal 1D6 damage, because your Oracle levels would not stack since you're a Bone Oracle. Bleed damage doesn't really come in to play, since you aren't using both channels at once. There is no 2 bleed damage (it would only be 1), no effective level 8 Cleric for bonus dice to your channel damage and there is no additional times to use it per day. You would just have two separate pools of Channel Attempts, one usable only by Command Undead.

Undead Servitude does literally nothing for your channeling of negative energy for anything other than controlling undead through the granted feat, and the Oracle levels don't stack in the description of that supernatural ability.

[Mojorat]

I think your right, its a shame the Life oracle is worded that way when i first read it a few moments ago i thought a Life oracle doing neg energy might be funny but i re read it and saw that does not work.

The Bleed is based on Doing negative energy Not the Channel just what type of damage it is. I dont know that this idea is worth it though for just 1d6 Channel unless i wanted to go into Holy Vindicator or something.

But i hadnt wanted to stop doing Oracle beyond a little bit.

[Christopher Marcum]

If I am understand this right, than your levels of cleric, and holy vindicator stack for the purposes of all channel abilities?

Does this mean that a 7 Cleric/ 4 Holy Vindicator can command undead as well as a 11 Cleric? Would the DC increase? The amount of d6 heal/dmg increase?