Since the Kaijitsu family will have a big role in the upcoming AP Jade Regent, I re-read the entries about the Kaijitsu family in Burnt Offerings (AP1).
In that volume three Kaijitsus are mentioned by name: Lonjiku (father), Ameiko (daughter) and Tsuto (illegitimate son of Lonjiku's wife and an unknown elf).
But then on page 71, Tsuto is referred to as "the eldest son" and Ameiko is refferred to as "eldest daughter".
This made me wonder just how many Kaijitsu children there are and if Lonjiku had any siblings?
As far as I can tell by the wording there should be at least two more children (one son and one daughter).
Nevermind.
I just read that Ameiko is the last in the line of the Kaijitsu family.
Read it on the short description of the second volume of the Jade Regent AP.
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Nevermind.
I just read that Ameiko is the last in the line of the Kaijitsu family.
Read it on the short description of the second volume of the Jade Regent AP.
I would check the Burnt Offerings Clarification thread, but I'm pretty sure James mentioned that there were at least two if not three younger siblings.
I would check the Burnt Offerings Clarification thread, but I'm pretty sure James mentioned that there were at least two if not three younger siblings.Nevermind.
I just read that Ameiko is the last in the line of the Kaijitsu family.
Read it on the short description of the second volume of the Jade Regent AP.
My memory tells me these were younger cousins, not siblings.
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Thanks Etsu!
I checked the thread and found this written by James on page 6:
(edited for readability).
Michael F wrote:
What was Lonjiku's father's name? I he even alive?
James Jacobs wrote:
He's dead. He doesn't have a name (although I probably wrote one down somewhere early on...).
Michael F wrote:
It appears Lonjiku's father wasn't the founding Kaijitsu of Sandpoint, as he "inherited" the Glassworks from the tunnel builder. So who was the founding Kaijitsu?
James Jacobs wrote:
Yeah; there have been 4 generations of Kaijitsus in Sandpoint. Again, I have their lineage worked out somewhere, since the Kaijitsus are scheduled to be a big deal in an upcoming Adventure Path, but if I remember right, Ameiko's about 22 years old, with Tsuto being a few years younger... let me take a quick stab at a timeline...
-42 years: Great-grandfather helps found Sandpoint, builds glassworks. At this point, Lonjiku is about 5 years old, his father is about 25, and his great-grandfather is about 50.
-41 years: Great-grandfather is involved with smuggling operation and agrees to let the Glassworks (at the time one of the few established businesses in town) be an anchor point for the tunnels.
-35 years: Great-grandfather dies, ownership of Glassworks passes to grandfather, who discovers the true nature of his father's relationship with the smugglers, and wants out.
-34 years: Smugglers driven from Sandpoint. Grandfather bricks over the tunnel entrance to the Glassworks.
-24 years: Grandfather dies, and passes ownership of the Glassworks to his son Lonjiku.
I probably messed up some of the dates, but that's more or less how it works in my mind.
Michael F wrote:
Oh, and are there any other Kaijitsu siblings, cousins or Aunts and Uncles living in Sandpoint? I assume there are relatives in Magnimar.
James Jacobs wrote:
There are a couple more Kaijitsu families in Magnimar. In Sandpoint, there are several Lonjiku kids. If I remember correctly again... Ameiko's the older, followed by Tsuto, followed by probably two sisters and a brother.
Reading James' answers gave me a pretty good idea of how long Jade Regent has been planned, this was written in Januari of 2008.
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In the Council of Thieves, there is a subtle suggestion that one of the Children of Westcrown is "distant kin" of the Kaijitsu family. (She isn't given a last name)
Amaya (CG female Tian human expert 1): Amaya is a well-mannered glassblower and an incredibly beautiful woman who’s somewhat self-conscious about the effect her appearance has on others—she dresses plainly as a result. She hopes someday to visit her distant kin who still live in Magnimar and Sandpoint. (Potential: bard.)
The parts that support my theory are bolded.
Lonjiku's wife is named in Burnt Offerings, though I cant think of it off the top of my head. It's harder to find than the rest cause she's dead at the beginning of the story. If you read the section about the 'Late Unpleasentness' I think shes mentioned by name in there.
Her name is Atsuii, she's mentioned on page 19. (Thanks for the tip).
She's been dead for 5 years at the start of Burnt Offerings.This makes me wonder how a exiled Minkari noble finds a wife with a tian name in Varisia.
Either their meeting was pure coincidence or she was a descendant of a servant that followed the noble family across the Crown of the World.
It would make sense that a noble family would have a sizeable entourage, even if they were exiled. Otherwise I suspect that the Kaijitsu line has atleast some Chelish/Varisian blood in it.
@Deidre
Cool, I haven't read CoT. That would suggest that the Kaijitsu family was/is a large one.
The reason I'm asking all this is that I'm pondering if the AP could be played with PCs either beloning to, or having strong ties to the Kaijitsu family (cousins, descendants of servants etc.)
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The first installment of Jade Regent has a LOT of information about the Kaijitsus, and it's also the first time we really nail some of these things down in print.
I can say this though (some spoilers for Rise of the Runelords AND for the start of Jade Regent):
Father: Lonjiku
Son: Tsuto
Daughter: Ameiko
There's a distant relation living in Wescrown—this is Amaya. She's actually a half-sister fathered by Lonjiku with a minor Chelish noblewoman. Of all three of Lonjiku's kids... Ameiko is his only legitimate offspring.
UNLESS any PCs pick the Campaign Trait in the Jade Regent Player's Guide that sets them up as being Ameiko's younger brother or sister. If no PC picks that trait, then Ameiko has no more brothers and sisters younger than her.
When Jade Regent begins, Ameiko is the ONLY Kaijitsu living in Varisia.
The Kaijitsu family is one of the foundations of the entire Jade Regent AP, so there'll be more information about them soon!
And yes, playing as a Kaijitsu is an option in Jade Regent. Heck... playing as Ameiko in Jade Regent is an option if you and your GM are cool with that and with retconning her down to a 1st level character.
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I´m now at the start of the Rise of the Runelords anniversary edition. I stumbled upon the ages given for the Kajitsu siblings there. On p. 27, it is noted that Tsuto was born in 4688, a year before Ameiko. If the campaign starts in 4707, he would be 19, she 18, and she would have run away at 13. A wee bit early, I think. I will make them five years older. If the anniversary edition is supposed to start in 4712, all is well.
But while musing on this, I stumbled upon another thing entirely: Lonjikus wife had a bastard son by some unknown elf. So far, so bad. I would think that it is surprising that Lonjiku did not kill her then and there, at least thats what I gather from his descriptions. And then he has another child with the woman that shamed him and his family, only a year later? That seems odd to me. I´d rather think that Ameiko is older, he was icy to his wife because its "just" a girl, and she sought solace with the elf a short time later. To me, it would make more sense that way. What do you think?
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I´m now at the start of the Rise of the Runelords anniversary edition. I stumbled upon the ages given for the Kajitsu siblings there. On p. 27, it is noted that Tsuto was born in 4688, a year before Ameiko. If the campaign starts in 4707, he would be 19, she 18, and she would have run away at 13. A wee bit early, I think. I will make them five years older. If the anniversary edition is supposed to start in 4712, all is well.But while musing on this, I stumbled upon another thing entirely: Lonjikus wife had a bastard son by some unknown elf. So far, so bad. I would think that it is surprising that Lonjiku did not kill her then and there, at least thats what I gather from his descriptions. And then he has another child with the woman that shamed him and his family, only a year later? That seems odd to me. I´d rather think that Ameiko is older, he was icy to his wife because its "just" a girl, and she sought solace with the elf a short time later. To me, it would make more sense that way. What do you think?
Whether or not you think running away at 13 is early... that is indeed intentional. To a certain extent, it's an homage to Arya Stark from Game of Thrones.
And while Lonjiku is a jerk and a bad father and a bad husband... he's not a murderer...
Thanks for the prompt answer, James.
So, she is indeed running away at a very young age. That´s ok, I have to think about that a bit, and see if I use that. I have to admit that I don´t follow Game of Thrones, so that reference is lost on me.
But the order of the kids still is odd in my eyes. I have read the story about Lonjiku and his wife and her fate and understand the reason behind it. I don´t quite understand the reasoning behind Lonjiku fathering a child with his unfaithful wife, probably just months after the bastard was born. He does not seem to be of the forgiving type at all, one who would accept his wife after she betrayed him. I probably fuss about a minor detail here, but these details sometimes make the world well-rounded (for the lack of a better expression).
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Thanks for the prompt answer, James.
So, she is indeed running away at a very young age. That´s ok, I have to think about that a bit, and see if I use that. I have to admit that I don´t follow Game of Thrones, so that reference is lost on me.
But the order of the kids still is odd in my eyes. I have read the story about Lonjiku and his wife and her fate and understand the reason behind it. I don´t quite understand the reasoning behind Lonjiku fathering a child with his unfaithful wife, probably just months after the bastard was born. He does not seem to be of the forgiving type at all, one who would accept his wife after she betrayed him. I probably fuss about a minor detail here, but these details sometimes make the world well-rounded (for the lack of a better expression).
Think of it as Lonjiku trying to "undo" what got done. If he doesn't get a child from his wife, then there's a chance the bastard will inherit, however small. Further, it's an attempt by Lonjiku to "cover up" the fact that his wife's only child is not also HIS child. The fact that she dared to give him a daughter instead of a replacement son is unlikely to have pleased him either.
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Hmm, Ameiko as a mature Arya, who becomes an adventurer, barkeeper and then chosen one to lead an ancestral empire. That is certainly a very full few years.
I think Ameiko's background should be highly relevant later in Jade Regent, and cause some problems.
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Think of it as Lonjiku trying to "undo" what got done. If he doesn't get a child from his wife, then there's a chance the bastard will inherit, however small. Further, it's an attempt by Lonjiku to "cover up" the fact that his wife's only child is not also HIS child. The fact that she dared to give him a daughter instead of a replacement son is unlikely to have pleased him either.
Ok, that´s a good way to see it. His wife is there to give him heirs, not much else. Kind of showing her her place in the order of things. Yes, I guess I can see Lonjiku as a mean-spirited husband acting out his "rights". (Of course, that is a horrible abuse viewed by our modern real-world standards. But it fits into the context.)
Thanks again, James. I can run with that now.
Think of it as Lonjiku trying to "undo" what got done. If he doesn't get a child from his wife, then there's a chance the bastard will inherit, however small. Further, it's an attempt by Lonjiku to "cover up" the fact that his wife's only child is not also HIS child. The fact that she dared to give him a daughter instead of a replacement son is unlikely to have pleased him either.Ok, that´s a good way to see it. His wife is there to give him heirs, not much else. Kind of showing her her place in the order of things. Yes, I guess I can see Lonjiku as a mean-spirited husband acting out his "rights". (Of course, that is a horrible abuse viewed by our modern real-world standards. But it fits into the context.)
Thanks again, James. I can run with that now.
If you want to get more of the feel of a Lonjiku traditionalist character, and people of those ilk, check out the game Analogue: a Hate Story. Traditional patriarchy isn't all fun and games, but that game covered it quite well.
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Think of it as Lonjiku trying to "undo" what got done. If he doesn't get a child from his wife, then there's a chance the bastard will inherit, however small. Further, it's an attempt by Lonjiku to "cover up" the fact that his wife's only child is not also HIS child. The fact that she dared to give him a daughter instead of a replacement son is unlikely to have pleased him either.Ok, that´s a good way to see it. His wife is there to give him heirs, not much else. Kind of showing her her place in the order of things. Yes, I guess I can see Lonjiku as a mean-spirited husband acting out his "rights". (Of course, that is a horrible abuse viewed by our modern real-world standards. But it fits into the context.)
Thanks again, James. I can run with that now.
It's a horrible abuse viewed by most citizens of Sandpoint as well. Lonjiku is not a nice guy. Not evil, but certainly not nice. He does his best to keep his misogyny and other darker personality traits hidden from the public.
With that dark side to him, I will go with evil if he comes up in a game. Evil, but minor s#*~ty selfish evil, the evil that keeps up just enough of appearances that people don't hang him on principle.
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Ruyan.
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So, if the PCs render the runewell inert, does that affect Lonjiku? Would he become more in control of his temper? (I am assuming that was part of the reason for the outburst between him and his daughter in Chapter 1.)
EDIT: In my re-telling of the AP (read, second run-through) it is sort of an alternate timeline, the PCs managed to save him. So I am wondering what kind of changes that might make in his personality...
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So, if the PCs render the runewell inert, does that affect Lonjiku? Would he become more in control of his temper? (I am assuming that was part of the reason for the outburst between him and his daughter in Chapter 1.)
EDIT: In my re-telling of the AP (read, second run-through) it is sort of an alternate timeline, the PCs managed to save him. So I am wondering what kind of changes that might make in his personality...
The flare up of the runewell is what pushed Lonjiku to...
Soem people are just jerks.
Whether or not Lonjiku can be taught the error of his ways and eventually seek redemption or to right his wrongs is more a question of roleplaying and storyline developments.
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Ok, I was just wondering because his outburst at the Rusty Dragon and going so far as to even trying to drag his daughter out of the inn by her hair seems like something that could become scandalous for someone that hides his darker side from the public.
I thought that maybe the outburst could have been a flare up from the runewell.
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I understand that the Rusty Dragon incident was caused more by his guilt over the recent goblin attack.
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Ok, I was just wondering because his outburst at the Rusty Dragon and going so far as to even trying to drag his daughter out of the inn by her hair seems like something that could become scandalous for someone that hides his darker side from the public.
I thought that maybe the outburst could have been a flare up from the runewell.
That outburst is just him finally losing his patience, in large part due to the goblin attack and his guilt. If his fate didn't have something more in store for him, it would very much have a negative impact on his future standing in town, and would have normally been the last straw for Ameiko to consider him her father.