Rogue Camouflage and Hat of Disguise

[thebluecanary]

I was thinking about this, could a Rogue uses a hat of disguise and their Camouflage talent together? Basically using the Hat of Disguise to create the foliage needed for the camouflage? And thus they would no longer have to worry about it getting "burned off"?

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Camouflage (Ex): Once per day, a rogue with this talent can craft simple but effective camouflage from the surrounding foliage. The rogue needs 1 minute to prepare the camouflage, but once she does, it is good for the rest of the day or until the rogue fails a saving throw against an area effect spell that deals fire, cold, or acid damage, whichever comes first. The rogue gains a +4 bonus on Stealth checks while within terrain that matches the foliage used to make the camouflage. This ability cannot be used in areas without natural foliage.

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Hat of Disguise
This apparently normal hat allows its wearer to alter her appearance as with a disguise self spell. As part of the disguise, the hat can be changed to appear as a comb, ribbon, headband, cap, coif, hood, helmet, and so on.

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Disguise Self
You make yourself - including clothing, armor, weapons, and equipment - look different. You can seem 1 foot shorter or taller, thin, fat, or in between. You cannot change your creature type (although you can appear as another subtype). Otherwise, the extent of the apparent change is up to you. You could add or obscure a minor feature or look like an entirely different person or gender.

The spell does not provide the abilities or mannerisms of the chosen form, nor does it alter the perceived tactile (touch) or audible (sound) properties of you or your equipment. If you use this spell to create a disguise, you get a +10 bonus on the Disguise check. A creature that interacts with the glamer gets a Will save to recognize it as an illusion.

[Some call me Tim]

thebluecanary wrote:

I was thinking about this, could a Rogue uses a hat of disguise and their Camouflage talent together?

Yes, but no the way you were thinking. If you used Camouflage you would need a another source of foliage and you would only appear to be someone else hiding in the bushes.

Disguise Self does not let you appear to a creature of another type, such as a plant, so no foliage. In general, I would rule that illusionary foliage is not "natural foliage."

Even if I allowed that, the ability doesn't grant an exemption if the foliage can't be damaged by fire, cold, or acid damage.

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[thebluecanary]

I see what your saying. I was seeing the "foliage" more as making an outfit out of sticks and twigs. Kind of like a ghillie suit.

And more of the way I saw the uses was to quickly "shred" the outfit, but I see your point. Still sounded like a good idea.