Unarmed combat

[talast]

I have read all over, maybe I just missed it, but I can't seem to find any rules for improved unarmed strike regarding power attack and weapon finesse.

regarding power attack:
is 1 to 1, or 1 to 2 exchange rate?

regarding weapon finesse:
can improved unarmed strike be weapon finesseable?

and if anyone knows which book/books and the pages they are mentioned regarding the 2 subjects, please let me know

thank you

[Rhys Grey]

Regarding Weapon Finesse: Unarmed strikes are always considered light weapons. Hence, they can be used with Weapon Finesse (Core Rulebook, pg. 149).

Being light weapons, unarmed strikes would follow the rules for a one-handed weapon under Power Attack (Core Rulebook, pg. 131), i.e. a -1 attack penalty for +2 damage. Is this what you were looking for? :)

[talast]

Rhys Grey wrote:

Regarding Weapon Finesse: Unarmed strikes are always considered light weapons. Hence, they can be used with Weapon Finesse (Core Rulebook, pg. 149).

Being light weapons, unarmed strikes would follow the rules for a one-handed weapon under Power Attack (Core Rulebook, pg. 131), i.e. a -1 attack penalty for +2 damage. Is this what you were looking for? :)

thank you for the reply. I did read the descriptions for both feats. the problem is that neither feats mentioned anything about unarmed strike.

I wanted to know where in the rule books it stated: "Unarmed strikes are always considered light weapons", this was certainly not listed in the monk section, nor did it mentioned in the core rule book, page 182, under the unarmed attack section.

[Rhys Grey]

Check page 149 (in Chapter 6: Equipment), under "Strike, Unarmed". You'll find it there! :)

[Dragonsong]

Well as you want to poo pooh Rhys' attempt to help you. How about pg 142 second weapon listed on the chart and the write up for unarmed strike on pg 149. I know it seems odd to some folks to put unarmed strikes in with the weapons in the equipment section.

[Mahorfeus]

"Unarmed strikes count as light weapons (for purposes of two-weapon attack penalties and so on)." --Core Rulebook, page 182

"So on," presumably referring to power attack and weapon finesse, as well as anything else involving light weapons. Power Attack doesn't make any mention of light weapons, so it would work as normal.

[talast]

Rhys Grey wrote:

Check page 149 (in Chapter 6: Equipment), under "Strike, Unarmed". You'll find it there! :)

thank you, I did check p149 originally, but I was looking under "unarmed", not under "strike". so I thought you must have miss-typed it. (weapon finesse was in p139).

it has certainly cleared the issue.

you have being a great help.

[Rhys Grey]

You're welcome! I'd also like to say that I almost didn't find it, for the same reason. ;)