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we ran I to a curious issue last night. what are the penalties for being grappled if someone outside the grapple attacking.
the description of grapple says -4 dex I think. but the quick chart says someone atacking from outside the grapple the person I'n the grapple looses all dex bonuses to ac.
which is it? or is it both?
A grappled creature gains the grappled condition (p567, core rulebook), they have a -4 dexterity and that's all. That's a -2 to AC from outside the grapple, or from inside the grapple as well.
A pinned creature is denied their dexterity bonus. I think the denied dexterity bonus mentioned on table 8-6 is a hold-over from 3.5 that needs to be addressed in Errata. Grappling is now 'only holding on with one hand' so it likely wouldn't cause a loss in dexterity.
Thank you, that is what i thought. Passing this along to my Dm