I really liked the idea of Nyrissa's continual hand behind many of the troubles for the adventurers along the span of this campaign, and will be strewing a few hints and clues of her machinations across the span of the campaign.
As my players will be fighting the Stag Lord, he will be wailing at them of "her" beauty, the dreams he has had and how he will make her queen of his kingdom. They'll also most likely find the lock of hair given to him by her.
Speaking of which, what colour is Nyrissa's hair anyway? I haven't purchased all the books yet, and I assume actual contact with the Nymph won't occur before the later ones.
I'm also interested in hearing how others have used Nyrissa's touch in the troubles for the fledgeling kingdoms, what hints that have been dropped, or other cleaver ideas to make the PCs heads run with theories and forebodings ?
I'm still only on the first adventure myself, but I was planning on doing something similar. You almost HAVE to if you want to create a solid sense of cohesion, because even though Narisia is pulling a lot of the strings, I don't believe that the PCs are even made aware of her existence until the 5th adventure, and even then the information they get is pretty vague. I do like your idea of the ranting Stag Lord, though. I plan to have him shout something about her as he dies, and try to reach for the lock of her hair (which can really be whatever you want. I actually think Nyrissa has green hair, just like the rest of her, but that's a little too hokey for me).
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I run a raunchy campaign, plus I have a super-Greyhawker. So I gave the Stag Lord a c*ck ring made of Nyrissa's green hair. The super-Greyhawker natural striped the body of the Stag Lord clean and discovered the c*ck ring, and it typical fashion for a greedy character he pocketed the ring without telling the party. Well because he liked the Stag Lord's helmet so much he decided to ring would be good to wear . . . in the same fashion. I gave him a dream where he meet Nyrissa, but when she realized that it was not the Stag Lord she caused the ring to destroy itself by bursting into flame (she has a habit of making her tokens self distructing if they fall in the wrong hands). The guy woke up from his dream with a burnt penis and then he failed the heal check to put first aid to it (and save from infection). I told him all he needed was a cure light wounds to save it (so that he would share what he learned with the PCs and hilarity would ensue). But in a moment of pride and nihlism he decided he would not go to the PCs for help and just cut it off. But at the last moment he realized that had a cure light wounds potion.
I can't decide whether this is the most ridiculous thing I've ever read or the most awesome. Either way, I'm impressed. That guy is going to have a hard time keeping his information to himself. Very amusing. Makes me wonder what you're going to cook up for Hargulka...
Spoiler:I'm also interested in hearing how others have used Nyrissa's touch in the troubles for the fledgeling kingdoms, what hints that have been dropped, or other cleaver ideas to make the PCs heads run with theories and forebodings ?
Firstly,
Oh, and don't forget that one of the books hints that she does, on occasion, get out and travel around the Stolen Lands. Mask her alignment and alter her appearance and she can waltz right in to the PC's Capital and see just who exactly these annoying people are who keep mussing up her plans.
Please, players read these boards. So your thread title is too much of a spoiler. ANd give some warning about plot information....use spoiler tags.
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I run a raunchy campaign, plus I have a super-Greyhawker. So I gave the Stag Lord a c*ck ring made of Nyrissa's green hair. The super-Greyhawker natural striped the body of the Stag Lord clean and discovered the c*ck ring, and it typical fashion for a greedy character he pocketed the ring without telling the party. Well because he liked the Stag Lord's helmet so much he decided to ring would be good to wear . . . in the same fashion. I gave him a dream where he meet Nyrissa, but when she realized that it was not the Stag Lord she caused the ring to destroy itself by bursting into flame (she has a habit of making her tokens self distructing if they fall in the wrong hands). The guy woke up from his dream with a burnt penis and then he failed the heal check to put first aid to it (and save from infection). I told him all he needed was a cure light wounds to save it (so that he would share what he learned with the PCs and hilarity would ensue). But in a moment of pride and nihlism he decided he would not go to the PCs for help and just cut it off. But at the last moment he realized that had a cure light wounds potion.I can't decide whether this is the most ridiculous thing I've ever read or the most awesome. Either way, I'm impressed. That guy is going to have a hard time keeping his information to himself. Very amusing. Makes me wonder what you're going to cook up for Hargulka...
Yeah have to agree that is disturbing and funny at the same time.
In my opinion, these requests are unreasonable.
My players come to these boards also, but I have "banned" them from the Kingmaker thread. Also, one of my players is now DM'ing Serpent Skull, we switch weeks, so he has "banned" us from there, so I stay out of that thread. Yea, I know we can't enforce it, but it is their loss of excitement and surprise if they come here.
-- david
Papa.DRB
Would using spoiler tags be too much to ask?
My players frequent the paizo boards and are in my KM campaign.
Please, players read these boards. So your thread title is too much of a spoiler. ANd give some warning about plot information....use spoiler tags.
Some time ago, one of my players discovered that he needs to stay off the Kingmaker boards completely because he strayed into the topic index before I could warn him. Thanks to people promoting your "deal with it" mentality, there isn't a place where he can talk about Kingmaker spoiler-free.
Also, when a post in a thread like this is made, the thread title is listed under the Recent Posts feed on the left side of this page for everyone to see, including people who have 'safely' isolated themselves to other boards.
I think the spoiler warning should be in the title. I don't think players should be banned from the entire sub forum. They might want to know how hard the adventure is so they know how much optimization they need or to get a feel for the game without getting spoilers. Giving a notice that spoilers are coming is far from unreasonable.
Some GM's are quiet lazy about the information a player might need, but actually run a good game once they get started.<---In case anyone ask me why can't a player just ask his GM.
You've convinced me. The problem is that the boards have the spoiler tags to begin with, clearly they're not meant to be used.
They should go, because they give the impression that hiding spoilers is in any way positive on the boards.
Spoilers have their place. If I was posting in the Rules thread about a rules question and had a specific Kingmaker example, I would make the subject about the Rule in question, and spoiler the example.
Also, they are used to prevent "wall of text" posts, in the PBP section between DM and a specific player, DM rolls, etc.
Thanks to people promoting your "deal with it" mentality, there isn't a place where he can talk about Kingmaker spoiler-free.
The easiest way around this is to open the question in one of the General Forums, and ask that no spoilers be included. If a moderator moves it to the Kingmaker forum, he can still get to it via the original place, until Ross fixes that bug.. heh
Also, why is he posting here about Kingmaker stuff, instead of just talking with the DM?
Also, when a post in a thread like this is made, the thread title is listed under the Recent Posts feed on the left side of this page for everyone to see, including people who have 'safely' isolated themselves to other boards.
Yea, that one is a bummer....
I think the spoiler warning should be in the title. I don't think players should be banned from the entire sub forum. They might want to know how hard the adventure is so they know how much optimization they need or to get a feel for the game without getting spoilers. Giving a notice that spoilers are coming is far from unreasonable.
See two answers up. Post in a General forum, or talk to their GM.
Some GM's are quiet lazy about the information a player might need, but actually run a good game once they get started.<---In case anyone ask me why can't a player just ask his GM.
Well, then that is a GM problem....
To all;
This is a forum about Kingmaker. The sticky threads are all about DMs asking for help on the various books as well as mass combat and city building rules, etc., and many threads have spoiler information in them, including this one's subject line.
While in a perfect world, no one would put non-player information in the subject line, or would completely use spoilers within the thread itself, this is just NOT going to happen. Accepting that as a fact, my group has decided that it is easiest just to stay out of the respective forums, so we keep out of Serpent Skull and Kingmaker except for the respective GMs.
enrious and Troubleshooter, please lose the snark. I was posting an opinion. If you have a different one, fine, but the snark is not called for.
-- david
Papa.DRB
The sticky threads are all about DMs asking for help.
I think they exist so things like this don't happen. Other than that the Kingmaker forum is not a GM only place. It is for everyone.
enrious and Troubleshooter, please lose the snark. I was posting an opinion. If you have a different one, fine, but the snark is not called for.Snark?
Dude, you completely convinced me 100% that the spoiler tag is useless because you and others have decreed the Kingmaker sub-forum to be GMs only.
I was completely out of line in asking for someone to show someone else some courtesy.
In other words, you won.
This is you being a winnner.
I really can't tell if you are being snarky or not. We need emoticons to show tone of voice online.
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Speaking of which, what colour is Nyrissa's hair anyway?
I have used the terms 'her' to represent 'N'. and 'she' to represent 'G'.
both these fine ladies have had their influence pop up quite a lot to build the tension and mystery
I have used the terms 'her' to represent 'N'. and 'she' to represent 'G'.
both these fine ladies have had their influence pop up quite a lot to build the tension and mystery
I didn't think of using a spoiler tag when I posted this originally, sorry about that. I tend to assume players do not/should not read forums such as this, but I suppose there are uses for that too.
Eitherway I seem to be unable to edit my original message(time limit?), so it will have to be one of the forums mods that can edit it down to something simple like Nyrissa[Spoilers!]
Flagged.
And you have made my ignore list (thanks to Firefox/Greasemonkey/IgnoreScript)
-- david
Papa.DRB
enrious and Troubleshooter, please lose the snark. I was posting an opinion. If you have a different one, fine, but the snark is not called for.Snark?
Dude, you completely convinced me 100% that the spoiler tag is useless because you and others have decreed the Kingmaker sub-forum to be GMs only.
I was completely out of line in asking for someone to show someone else some courtesy.
In other words, you won.
This is you being a winnner.
The boards have a 1 hour time limit on Editing/Deleting posts.
-- david
Papa.DRB
Eitherway I seem to be unable to edit my original message(time limit?), so it will have to be one of the forums mods that can edit it down to something simple like Nyrissa[Spoilers!]
And I agree with that, all forums are for everyone. However, if someone is a player in an active game, or wishes to be a player of that AP, they should realize that not everyone will use spoilers and they will learn things about the module that might ruin their enjoyment of being a player. If they wish to take that chance, that is their choice and I am not telling them that it is badwrongfun. They just need to be aware that there might be unintended consequences and make an informed choice.
As for me and my guys, we have agreed to just not look into the forum of games where we are players, because we know there will be un-spoilered information in the forum. The only time I have been in the Serpent Skull forum is when my DM sent me a link and wanted me to look at something in particular. I did what he asked and since it was a link I did not see any of the other subjects / threads.
I believe that it is an unreasonable expectation to assume that everyone will use spoilers in threads and in thread subjects. It is just not going to happen, just like what happened at the start of this thread, and was pointing that out.
However, your game, your rules, have at it, and I hope you have a great time at it! It is all fun no matter how you do it.
-- david
Papa.DRB
ps. My last post in this thread. Ya'll have a good time in your games!
The sticky threads are all about DMs asking for help.I think they exist so things like this don't happen. Other than that the Kingmaker forum is not a GM only place. It is for everyone.
Here's my take on spoilers and the Kingmaker threads:
1) If you know there are going to be spoilers in your OP, you should note that in your title.
2) You should avoid putting spoilers themselves in your title.
3) Within the text you should use spoiler tags when appropriate.
All that said:
1) There are tons and tons of both marked and unmarked spoilers on this subforum.
2) There will never be 100% compliance with any established protocol.
3) Not everyone even knows how to use the spoiler tag.
4) While much on this subforum is useful for players, a ton of it is absolutely essential for GMs, and the greatest value of this subforum is giving GMs a chance to ask advice, seek corrections or clarifications from Paizo staff and discuss how to handle certain situations amongst themselves, IMHO.
So, unless Paizo suddenly decides to create a GMs only Kingmaker subforum, which would probably be a pain in the ass, my recommendation is that GMs should either instruct their players to not visit the Kingmaker thread while they are playing the AP (what I have done) or at the very least warn them that spoilers abound and they should use a lot of caution. If you have players who will deliberately ignore that warning to seek out material they shouldn't see, then you have a bigger problem already.