Hello,
I readed the rituals to become a demon in Book of the Damned, volume 2 : Lords of Chaos.
1)It needs a demon lord as patron, not other means ?
The type of demon that the mortal transforms into depends on both the nature of her chosen demon lord and the GM’s discretion, but should generally not result in a total number of Hit Dice that more than doubles
the mortal’s original Hit Dice.
2)What are the type of demon for each demon lord ?
3)Apparently, the balor is the demon with the more HD as choice for the transformation, no ?
Balor : 20 HD
4)A demon with a possible evolution by an ability ? Nabassu ?
5)Is it possible to become a naescent demon lord with the transformation in demon and the class levels or PrCs at 4th ritual ?
6)Are there a similar mean to becom a devil ? a div ?
7)In Legacy of fire, there are Arhiman, it's a lord of the divs (similar to a demon lord ?).
Thanks for the future answer.
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Hello,
I readed the rituals to become a demon in Book of the Damned, volume 2 : Lords of Chaos.1)It needs a demon lord as patron, not other means ?
The type of demon that the mortal transforms into depends on both the nature of her chosen demon lord and the GM’s discretion, but should generally not result in a total number of Hit Dice that more than doubles
the mortal’s original Hit Dice.2)What are the type of demon for each demon lord ?
3)Apparently, the balor is the demon with the more HD as choice for the transformation, no ?
Balor : 20 HD
4)A demon with a possible evolution by an ability ? Nabassu ?
5)Is it possible to become a naescent demon lord with the transformation in demon and the class levels or PrCs at 4th ritual ?
6)Are there a similar mean to becom a devil ? a div ?
7)In Legacy of fire, there are Arhiman, it's a lord of the divs (similar to a demon lord ?).
Thanks for the future answer.
Demon Lords are unique since they are the only one of their kind, and don't have types like maraliths or balors as an example.
The Balor has the most HD except for Demon Lords.I don't understand question 4.
I would not think so since you are normally less powerful than you were in your mortal form. Maybe an epic level PC/NPC might go straight to Demon Lord status, but it is far from the norm, and it would probably be a 1st if it was ever done.
What is a div?
Is number 7 a question or an answer?
As a DM I would never allow a player to become a demon. Well I take that back since I plan to run a monster campaign one day, but not in a regular game, and even so what type you get turned into is up to the DM. Even Orcus who was a high level necromancer in real life started off as lemure(CR 1ish).
I don't understand question 4.
The nabassu has the consume flesh ability.
I would not think so since you are normally less powerful than you were in your mortal form. Maybe an epic level PC/NPC might go straight to Demon Lord status, but it is far from the norm, and it would probably be a 1st if it was ever done.
You are wrong, because the character keeps the class levels as mortal in the new form of a demon.
Is number 7 a question or an answer?
the question is (similar to a demon lord ?)
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I think that an evil character who becomes a demon becomes an advanced member of their new demonic species due to the fact that they retain their class levels. In effect, mortals who 'ascend' to a demonic state are exceptional individuals rather than run-of-the-mill demon minions. Indeed, they may hold privileged positions in the court of a demon lord - much to the chagrin of rivals who regard them as upstarts. Keep in mind that the requirements for transformation into a demonic form are very demanding - a candidate must prove his or her ability and loyalty many times before becoming a demon.
(Hmmm....here's a cool adventure seed that I just thought of: An evil character learns of a possible 'shortcut' to demonic transformation as described in Book of the Damned 2 : Lords of Chaos. We the character attempts to retrieve the tome that contains details of the forbidden ritual, he or she discovers that the whole thing is an elaborate trap set by an order of paladins. The paladins deliberately leaked rumors of the fake ritual in order to lure those who seek mastery of the dark arts into a carefully-prepared ambush. In effect, they are running a sting operation designed to flush out the demonologists in a region. If you are feeling particularly cruel, you could have a powerful good-aligned outsider as the brains behind the whole scheme).
I don't understand question 4.The nabassu has the consume flesh ability.
I would not think so since you are normally less powerful than you were in your mortal form. Maybe an epic level PC/NPC might go straight to Demon Lord status, but it is far from the norm, and it would probably be a 1st if it was ever done.You are wrong, because the character keeps the class levels as mortal in the new form of a demon.
Is number 7 a question or an answer?the question is (similar to a demon lord ?)
I am not wrong. I was not saying the book is mechanically incorrect, but from a point of D&D/Pathfinder lore it has never been done, and many DM's use such things as precedent.
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1)It needs a demon lord as patron, not other means ?
The type of demon that the mortal transforms into depends on both the nature of her chosen demon lord and the GM’s discretion, but should generally not result in a total number of Hit Dice that more than doubles
the mortal’s original Hit Dice.
If you don't have a demon lord patron, you can't use this method to become a demon. Becoming a demon via this method requires GM discretion and adjudication. Some demon lords are obviously associated with specific demons (shadow demons and succubi for Nocticula, for example), but even that can vary. See #2 below.
2)What are the type of demon for each demon lord ?
Each demon lord has multiple associated demons. Technically, each demon lord can be associated with ALL demons. The GM gets to decide which one is legit on a case by case basis, since the nature of the person who wants to become a demon should figure into it as well.
3)Apparently, the balor is the demon with the more HD as choice for the transformation, no ?
Balor : 20 HD
Balors are the most powerful non-unique demons we've detailed yet, but since the GM gets to decide what demons are available on a case by case basis depending on the nature of the character attempting the ritual and the nature of the demon lord in question... they won't always be an option.
4)A demon with a possible evolution by an ability ? Nabassu ?
I'm not certain what this is asking about...
5)Is it possible to become a naescent demon lord with the transformation in demon and the class levels or PrCs at 4th ritual ?
No. Never. Becoming a nascent demon lord requires you first to be a demon, and then to spend a LONG time (at least hundreds of years but probably thousands of years or more) building up your power, reputation, resources, and cult as a demon.
6)Are there a similar mean to becom a devil ? a div ?
Nope. The primary way someone becomes a devil is to be lawful evil, die, go to Hell, and get selected from the damned to be promoted to a lowly devil that then has to work its way up through diabolic ranks over the course of countless centuries of toil and torment. The transformation ritual for demons does not have a devil version.
7)In Legacy of fire, there are Arhiman, it's a lord of the divs (similar to a demon lord ?).
Divs are neutral evil fiends, and Ahriman is their leader. He's equal in power to a nascent demon lord, pretty much, but he's not a demon lord.
If you don't have a demon lord patron, you can't use this method to become a demon. Becoming a demon via this method requires GM discretion and adjudication. Some demon lords are obviously associated with specific demons (shadow demons and succubi for Nocticula, for example), but even that can vary. See #2 below.
If a character has the book of damned, can the character use this method to become a demon ?
Creatures attempting to read the book that are not chaotic evil must make a DC 15 Will save or have their alignment permanently take one step toward chaotic evil.
Once per day as a standard action, the bearer can use the book to gain any one of the boons granted by any demon lord—the boon lasts as long as the owner retainspossession of the book, or until she chooses a new boon. This does not require an obedience.
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If you don't have a demon lord patron, you can't use this method to become a demon. Becoming a demon via this method requires GM discretion and adjudication. Some demon lords are obviously associated with specific demons (shadow demons and succubi for Nocticula, for example), but even that can vary. See #2 below.If a character has the book of damned, can the character use this method to become a demon ?
Creatures attempting to read the book that are not chaotic evil must make a DC 15 Will save or have their alignment permanently take one step toward chaotic evil.Once per day as a standard action, the bearer can use the book to gain any one of the boons granted by any demon lord—the boon lasts as long as the owner retainspossession of the book, or until she chooses a new boon. This does not require an obedience.
The Book of the Damned itself doesn't allow full transformation into a demon... the transformation ritual is pretty specific, but the details are likely found in the book.