So I'm looking at the Quicken Spell-Like Ability (Monster) feat in combination with a level 10 Shadowdancer's Silent Image. What are the exact limitations of "duration: concentration"? Can I divide my attention at all, moving; and/or perhaps even initiating, or simply passively continuing Stealth?
If I use it at the very very end of my turn, is the image a viable target during the enemy's coming turn? If so I guess it's just standing still? I don't know, if you use up your last action casting Silent Image normally, you likewise don't really have time to move it around do you?
And can you cast spell-like abilities without disrupting stealth? If I'm stealthed in a shadowy area then Shadow Jump to another, can I attempt to maintain my stealth there, unbroken?
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So I'm looking at the Quicken Spell-Like Ability (Monster) feat in combination with a level 10 Shadowdancer's Silent Image. What are the exact limitations of "duration: concentration"? Can I divide my attention at all, moving; and/or perhaps even initiating, or simply passively continuing Stealth?
If I use it at the very very end of my turn, is the image a viable target during the enemy's coming turn? If so I guess it's just standing still? I don't know, if you use up your last action casting Silent Image normally, you likewise don't really have time to move it around do you?
And can you cast spell-like abilities without disrupting stealth? If I'm stealthed in a shadowy area then Shadow Jump to another, can I attempt to maintain my stealth there, unbroken?
Ty
Oh, also, can I store it in a Ring of Spell Storing with its augment? Scribe it on scrolls?
So I'm looking at the Quicken Spell-Like Ability (Monster) feat in combination with a level 10 Shadowdancer's Silent Image. What are the exact limitations of "duration: concentration"? Can I divide my attention at all, moving; and/or perhaps even initiating, or simply passively continuing Stealth?
http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/magic.html#duration
Concentration: The spell lasts as long as you concentrate on it. Concentrating to maintain a spell is a standard action that does not provoke attacks of opportunity. Anything that could break your concentration when casting a spell can also break your concentration while you're maintaining one, causing the spell to end. See concentration.
Since concentrating is a standard action, you can continue to move, etc., including using stealth.
If I use it at the very very end of my turn, is the image a viable target during the enemy's coming turn? If so I guess it's just standing still? I don't know, if you use up your last action casting Silent Image normally, you likewise don't really have time to move it around do you?
http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/magic.html#figment
A figment's AC is equal to 10 + its size modifier.
Yes, a silent image is a viable target. It sort of depends on the GM, but I've always seen silent image be played that you can change the illusion at any time as long as you are still concentrating.
And can you cast spell-like abilities without disrupting stealth? If I'm stealthed in a shadowy area then Shadow Jump to another, can I attempt to maintain my stealth there, unbroken?
http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/magic.html#special-abilities
Spell-Like Abilities: Usually, a spell-like ability works just like the spell of that name. A spell-like ability has no verbal, somatic, or material component, nor does it require a focus. The user activates it mentally. Armor never affects a spell-like ability's use, even if the ability resembles an arcane spell with a somatic component.
Using a spell-like ability is completely undetectable until the magic takes effect. So there's no reason you can't remain hidden.
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Since concentrating is a standard action, you can continue to move, etc., including using stealth.
I don't totally buy this, cause something being a standard action generally denotes that you're 100% dedicated to that action and can't also fit a move action into it, unless it's specifically part of that action. In this case it would be an exception if anything.
You surely aren't allowed to move during an action dedicated to casting a spell, and they're both called 'concentration' actions, but the two cases may be a bit different. Like, some minimal effort to momentarily keep the image from disappearing outright while quickly I duck into shadows, possibly adding some slight movement to the image as well. Surely not quite as inflexible as going through the proper motions to complete a spell.
I guess it's a case where RAW would kinda have you out of luck but you could go into the flexibility with subjective house rulings, maybe make up some concentration checks. Or is it generally acknowledged that it's ok to move around a bit while concentrating to maintain a Silent Image? Anyway I can just do that Swift Action after hiding, I was just interested in trying to replace myself *just* as I Hid in Plain Sight, so that they wouldn't notice the difference. :) What the hell, I'm sure I can go ahead and try that, and just slap a high concentration check on it :) too bad my concentration level would kinda suck :(
Another thing that worried me about the spell-like ability thing was that Shadow Jump acts like Dimension Door, which says you can't take any actions after using it. So I'm wondering if that in particular would still let me maintain Stealth (if I still had cover). I'm thinking that it wouldn't let one *initiate* Stealth if one teleported into hiding from observation, although... if you assumed your Stealthy position just before casting it... and if you placed yourself accurately enough.... So it seems like technically one could do this, well providing you can concentrate while holding a stealthy position...
Maaan I WISH I could Quicken Shadow Jump :( Maybe my DM will let meeeee
And let me put permanent Darkness on a small rock while he's at it :3
Oh LOL
This creature can use one of its spell-like abilities with next to no effort.
Hay RAW, maintaining the duration is part of 'using the ability' isn't it~? :) I guess I'm just THAT good at my Silent Image spell-like ability... m actually does make sense....
I can't WAIT till level 15!
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I don't totally buy this, cause something being a standard action generally denotes that you're 100% dedicated to that action and can't also fit a move action into it, unless it's specifically part of that action. In this case it would be an exception if anything.
A round consist of: 1 standard action + 1 move action, which can be traded for 1 full round action.
So you don't fit the move action into the standard action, you take it before or after. So by RAW, you are allowed to move around (stealth or not) eventhough you spend your standard action, whether it be an attack, casting a spell, or maintaining concentration.
Another thing that worried me about the spell-like ability thing was that Shadow Jump acts like Dimension Door, which says you can't take any actions after using it. So I'm wondering if that in particular would still let me maintain Stealth (if I still had cover). I'm thinking that it wouldn't let one *initiate* Stealth if one teleported into hiding from observation, although... if you assumed your Stealthy position just before casting it... and if you placed yourself accurately enough.... So it seems like technically one could do this, well providing you can concentrate while...
I think you are spot on about this.
Allowing the character to stealth before the shadow jump seems reasonable. It cannot be done afterwards. There shouldn't be anything that breaks stealth by using the spell-like ability. Although in circumstances (reappearing right behind a foe), I might call for a perception check, to allow them to spot you.
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I don't totally buy this, cause something being a standard action generally denotes that you're 100% dedicated to that action and can't also fit a move action into it, unless it's specifically part of that action. In this case it would be an exception if anything.A round consist of: 1 standard action + 1 move action, which can be traded for 1 full round action.
So you don't fit the move action into the standard action, you take it before or after. So by RAW, you are allowed to move around (stealth or not) eventhough you spend your standard action, whether it be an attack, casting a spell, or maintaining concentration.
Yeah. But like... if a caster casts Silent Image, does he have to stay in one spot as long as he wants to keep it in existence? Does he have to do his concentration Standard Action each round, and nothing else besides concentrating cause at that point he would cease concentrating? Or is it that, he just has to dedicate 1 standard action to maintaining it each round if he wants it to continue? And do whatever the hell he wants in between.
Not that I'm too worried though, my RAW interpretation of my feat is bullet-proof. Bo) Would be good to figure this out though. Actually I'd still have to spend a Swift Action each round my way, so yeah.
Or is it that, he just has to dedicate 1 standard action to maintaining it each round if he wants it to continue? And do whatever the hell he wants in between.Yes, that is it. The turn sequence is just a mechanical way of explaining what you can and cannot do on a turn. So while it mechanically functions like standing around concentrating for 4 seconds and walking for the last 2, the actual situation in my view, would be him concentrating while he walks around. Because he is immensed in concentration, he cannot do anything but walking a bit (or a move action equivalent).
The quicken part: By RAW, I don't think you are allowed to maintain the spell with a swift action, even though the spell casting was quickened. And since you can only use quicken spell like ability 3 times a day, you don't have the choice of recasting the spell again and again.
As a GM I might go towards allowing it in this case. Seeing as you have to be lvl 10 shadow dancer, I don't think it would be overpowered. But in that case, I would retain the right to revoke my ruling, if it caused problems.
You have to spend a standard action every round to keep the spell, but it does not interfere with your other actions. You may still move around.
SLA work just like spells except for certain conditions. You still have to concentrate if the spell version says so.
The text you quoted about no effort is the fluff, and the following parts are the rules to activate it, not maintain it.
Maintaining and activating are two different subsets of the rules.
Alright, thanks. Yeah it sure would let you do things with it you couldn't otherwise do, but it's kinda too fun to pass up (as long as it's not gamebreaking, as you say). Conceptually it's a bit weird to have 1 round of making the image do stuff with a Swift Action worth of concentration, then after that it's a Standard Action of concentration for a like round of effect. But I do agree it's clear enough rules wise, Qicken Spell doesn't do that to these types of spells. I think the concept just gets slightly messed up when it's employed as a consistent, natural aptitude, as opposed to a more technical and dictated, prepared burst of quickness, but yeah, you'd have to make your own exception. My DM BETTER!
Although, it's a whole feat but they can only use it on one of their spells! I wonder if it would be broken at all to just have it that way in general, since it already makes more sense conceptually.
No, I just realized, it's already counterbalanced by the fact that the spell doesn't 'use up higher spell slots' in any way. And it makes it exponentially more effective with certain spells. Well, instantaneous spells probably generally have more 'bang' on that first turn already so maybe not so much. Anyway just case-by-case exceptions if anything I guess.