Mounted Combat


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Here's a few questions concerning Mounted Combat.

1. If the character has Ride-By Attack Feat, does the mount receive an attack of opportunity for moving through the enemy's space?

2. If you have Mounted Skirmisher Feat, can you move before and after attacking with the character's full attack action?

3. If you Have Mounted Skirmisher AND Ride-By Attack feat, can you move before and after your full round of attacks or before and after EACH attack?

4. Does a Scout (APG page 134) gain the benefit of Sneak Attack when his mount moves 10 feet or more?

5. Does the Scout Retain the Skirmisher Ability with Ranged weapons while mounted?

6. If The Scout has a ranged weapon and is mounted, can he gain Sneak attack damage on ALL attacks in a surprise round if his mount 10 feet or more?

7. Does the rider of a mount retain the effects of Mobility if he moves through threatened areas on his Mount?

8. If a mount has the mobility feat, does the RIDER benefit from it?

9. Does Spirited Charge feat apply with the full attack action given by Mounted Skirmisher?

10. Does any of this even matter with mounted archery when making ranged attacks from a mount?


I'll do my best. Mounted combat rules are very unclear, so this is all my take on it.

dreddwulf1 wrote:

Here's a few questions concerning Mounted Combat.

1. If the character has Ride-By Attack Feat, does the mount receive an attack of opportunity for moving through the enemy's space?

No. The enemy isn't moving out of the mounts threatened square.

dreddwulf1 wrote:
2. If you have Mounted Skirmisher Feat, can you move before and after attacking with the character's full attack action?

No. It doesn't say you can, so regular rules apply.

dreddwulf1 wrote:
3. If you Have Mounted Skirmisher AND Ride-By Attack feat, can you move before and after your full round of attacks or before and after EACH attack?

Mounted Skirmisher requires your mount move its speed or less. Ride-by attack requires a charge. As long as you make a charge, and move less than your mount's speed, should work fine.

dreddwulf1 wrote:
4. Does a Scout (APG page 134) gain the benefit of Sneak Attack when his mount moves 10 feet or more?

I'd say this works, but I could see people arguing that RAW it doesn't, I think RAI it does.

dreddwulf1 wrote:
5. Does the Scout Retain the Skirmisher Ability with Ranged weapons while mounted?

Same as above, also, they'd have to be within 30' barring other abilities.

dreddwulf1 wrote:
6. If The Scout has a ranged weapon and is mounted, can he gain Sneak attack damage on ALL attacks in a surprise round if his mount 10 feet or more?

Depending. If the Scout is acting before his target in the surprise round, then the target is flat-footed, and vulnerable to sneak attack (within 30 feet of course.) Normally, no because skirmisher specifically says "If the scout makes more than one attack this turn, this ability only applies to the first attack." Skirmisher will only ever grant you sneak attack on the first attack. Other conditions can qualify you for all of them.

dreddwulf1 wrote:
7. Does the rider of a mount retain the effects of Mobility if he moves through threatened areas on his Mount?

Yes. He spent a feat, he gets the +4 against AoO's directed at HIM.

dreddwulf1 wrote:
8. If a mount has the mobility feat, does the RIDER benefit from it?

No. The mount gets +4 AC to attacks directed at IT.

dreddwulf1 wrote:
9. Does Spirited Charge feat apply with the full attack action given by Mounted Skirmisher?

No. You can either charge (a full round action) or make a full attack (also a full round action). If you charge, unless you have pounce, you can't make a full attack too.

dreddwulf1 wrote:
10. Does any of this even matter with mounted archery when making ranged attacks from a mount?

Very little does. Ranged attacks are possible while moving without mounted skirmisher. A rouge with a bow at C30 (55' away) from his target (At A20) can have his mount double move past the guy (outside of reach), make a full attack at C20 (10' away, qualifying for sneak attack range, if the target is flat-footed/etc) and then move back to C30 or to C10 to finish out of range. If the rogue was a scout instead, he would get the sneak attack damage on the first shot of this attack.


My take.

dreddwulf1 wrote:


1. If the character has Ride-By Attack Feat, does the mount receive an attack of opportunity for moving through the enemy's space?

"When you are mounted and use the charge action, you may move and attack as if with a standard charge and then move again (continuing the straight line of the charge). Your total movement for the round can't exceed double your mounted speed. You and your mount do not provoke an attack of opportunity from the opponent that you attack."

No. Your mount does not provoke an AoO.

Your mount also goes not GET one, because it is moving, not the enemy.

dreddwulf1 wrote:


2. If you have Mounted Skirmisher Feat, can you move before and after attacking with the character's full attack action?

No.

dreddwulf1 wrote:


3. If you Have Mounted Skirmisher AND Ride-By Attack feat, can you move before and after your full round of attacks or before and after EACH attack?

Yes, but you can only move up to the mount's speed.

dreddwulf1 wrote:


4. Does a Scout (APG page 134) gain the benefit of Sneak Attack when his mount moves 10 feet or more?

5. Does the Scout Retain the Skirmisher Ability with Ranged weapons while mounted?

6. If The Scout has a ranged weapon and is mounted, can he gain Sneak attack damage on ALL attacks in a surprise round if his mount 10 feet or more?

I don't know the scout class and won't provide input on it.

dreddwulf1 wrote:


7. Does the rider of a mount retain the effects of Mobility if he moves through threatened areas on his Mount?

Yes.

dreddwulf1 wrote:


8. If a mount has the mobility feat, does the RIDER benefit from it?

No.

dreddwulf1 wrote:


9. Does Spirited Charge feat apply with the full attack action given by Mounted Skirmisher?

Yes. This seems absurdly powerful, but remember you need 14 ranks of Ride to get Mounted Skirmisher, so you have to be level 14+.

dreddwulf1 wrote:


10. Does any of this even matter with mounted archery when making ranged attacks from a mount?

Mounted Archery is badass, but a level 14 Fighter with a 20 STR, charging a medium sized creature with a lance is swinging at +22/+17/+12, for a total of 3x(3d8+5) = 9d8+15 damage.

And 20 isn't even that high of a STR at 14th level. And that's assuming no buffs. No magic lance. And that's assuming no Weapon Focus/Spec. Weapon Spec/Greater alone adds 12 damage if everything hits.

Get a +5 Haste Lance with Greater Weapon Focus for 4x(3d8+9) = 12d8+36, and start hitting like a dragon.

Liberty's Edge

Thanks guys! That pretty much covers everything.

Liberty's Edge

Oops! Computer error. My bad.


1. If the character has Ride-By Attack Feat, does the mount receive an attack of opportunity for moving through the enemy's space?

-If you mean does the mount get whacked, no.

From Ride by attack you and your mount do not provoke an attack of opportunity from the opponent that you attack.

2. If you have Mounted Skirmisher Feat, can you move before and after attacking with the character's full attack action?

Not unless you also have ride by attack. Mounted skirmisher doesn't let you move after the attack on its own. If you have both mounted skirmisher and ride by attack then yes.

3. If you Have Mounted Skirmisher AND Ride-By Attack feat, can you move before and after your full round of attacks or before and after EACH attack?

Not specified, and up to the dm's call. I would let it whap everyone along a line of charge just based on a knight picking off rings in a tournament.

4. Does a Scout (APG page 134) gain the benefit of Sneak Attack when his mount moves 10 feet or more?

Yes. You and your mount gain all the benefits and drawbacks of moving.

5. Does the Scout Retain the Skirmisher Ability with Ranged weapons while mounted?

I don't see why not.

6. If The Scout has a ranged weapon and is mounted, can he gain Sneak attack damage on ALL attacks in a surprise round if his mount 10 feet or more?

There is only 1 attack for two reasons. . You cannot make a full attack when your mount moves. You can also not make a full attack in the surprise round because you are limited to one standard action.

7. Does the rider of a mount retain the effects of Mobility if he moves through threatened areas on his Mount?

Technically yes. His mount would not.

8. If a mount has the mobility feat, does the RIDER benefit from it?

I would say no. The mobility feat doesn't specify that it works on passengers.

9. Does Spirited Charge feat apply with the full attack action given by Mounted Skirmisher?

Yup. you're 14th level. You should be able to bring in a world of hurt.
Mind you, unless you're a paladin, druid, or a cavalier, this will never work. Your horse won't live that long.

When you attack a creature smaller than your mount that is on foot, you get the +1 bonus on melee attacks for being on higher ground. If your mount moves more than 5 feet, you can only make a single melee attack. Essentially, you have to wait until the mount gets to your enemy before attacking, so you can't make a full attack. Even at your mount's full speed, you don't take any penalty on melee attacks while mounted.

10. Does any of this even matter with mounted archery when making ranged attacks from a mount?

yup

You can use ranged weapons while your mount is taking a double move, but at a –4 penalty on the attack roll. You can use ranged weapons while your mount is running (quadruple speed) at a –8 penalty. In either case, you make the attack roll when your mount has completed half its movement. You can make a full attack with a ranged weapon while your mount is moving. Likewise, you can take move actions normally.

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dreddwulf1 wrote:
8. If a mount has the mobility feat, does the RIDER benefit from it?

No. But with a DC 15 Ride check, the rider gains, as an immediate action, a +4 cover AC bonus from the mount... so he needs not take Mobility (i.e. the mount gets +4 from mobility and the rider gets +4 from a DC 15 ride check)


Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
dreddwulf1 wrote:
8. If a mount has the mobility feat, does the RIDER benefit from it?
No. But with a DC 15 Ride check, the rider gains, as an immediate action, a +4 cover AC bonus from the mount... so he needs not take Mobility (i.e. the mount gets +4 from mobility and the rider gets +4 from a DC 15 ride check)

The Rider needs to use a move action the next round to "right" himself. Might not be an issue, but could be.

Also, remember your AC penalty applies to Ride checks. DC 15 is easy if you're unarmored, not so much if you're in anything above studded leather.


BigNorseWolf wrote:

6. If The Scout has a ranged weapon and is mounted, can he gain Sneak attack damage on ALL attacks in a surprise round if his mount 10 feet or more?

There is only 1 attack for two reasons. . You cannot make a full attack when your mount moves. You can also not make a full attack in the surprise round because you are limited to one standard action.

Incorrect here. You can make full ranged attacks from horseback no problem. Its only limited to a single MELEE attack.

The surprise round yes, you are limited to only a single standard action.


Tarantula wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:

6. If The Scout has a ranged weapon and is mounted, can he gain Sneak attack damage on ALL attacks in a surprise round if his mount 10 feet or more?

There is only 1 attack for two reasons. . You cannot make a full attack when your mount moves. You can also not make a full attack in the surprise round because you are limited to one standard action.

Incorrect here. You can make full ranged attacks from horseback no problem. Its only limited to a single MELEE attack.

The surprise round yes, you are limited to only a single standard action.

Whoops, missed that it was ranged.

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