Shadow Evocation and Daylight


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Deeper Darkness is in effect.

Player 1 summons a Shadow Demon.

Player 1 has the Shadow Demon cast Shadow Evocation, emulating Daylight, in the area of Deeper Darkness.

What happens RAW? What happens RAI?

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Gordon Pang wrote:

Deeper Darkness is in effect.

Player 1 summons a Shadow Demon.

Player 1 has the Shadow Demon cast Shadow Evocation, emulating Daylight, in the area of Deeper Darkness.

What happens RAW? What happens RAI?

As written? You roll a 20% chance that the spell is real enough to affect deeper darkness (since even on a passed save the spell is still twenty precent real. This means that someone who disbelieves a shadow conjuration web still has a 20% chance to being caught)

As Intended, the same happens, its only quasi real so you have to hope and pray that the Shadow Evocation is real enough to break the darkness.


What about this line?

"Non-damaging effects have normal effects except against those who disbelieve them. Against disbelievers, they have no effect."

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Gordon Pang wrote:

What about this line?

"Non-damaging effects have normal effects except against those who disbelieve them. Against disbelievers, they have no effect."

Read it again it says if the attack has a special affect other than damage, it is less likely to occur.

http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/spells/shadowEvocation.html

COnsider the spell to always pass it's save and that it is 20% likely to have any tangible effects. The natural effect of daylight to counter deeper darkness would be a special effect in my book.


Now that I read daylight and deeper darkness more closely, I find out that the two spells don't overlap each other (as I thought it did), and that they remove each other completely. That makes sense now, thanks!

What if its a shadow evocation spell that emulates daylight to light up normal dark light? Do people inside the daylight spell get a will save to see if they can see the place light up?

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Gordon Pang wrote:

Now that I read daylight and deeper darkness more closely, I find out that the two spells don't overlap each other (as I thought it did), and that they remove each other completely. That makes sense now, thanks!

What if its a shadow evocation spell that emulates daylight to light up normal dark light? Do people inside the daylight spell get a will save to see if they can see the place light up?

In this case you would be following the normal rules. Note that a person can always elect to fail a save.

http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/magic.html

Look up Voluntarily giving up a saving throw.

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