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Hello guys! I have a question walking through my head. Regarding the craft armor skill.
Our group defeated a large sized green dragon in a later story arc. Me being a druid made me very interested into crafting some nifty DragonHide Armor and Shield, but I dont have Craft-Armorsmith.
So I went to the local hiper macho sandpoint butch Blacksmith and commisioned him to make some armor from the scales I salvaged from Mr. Greeny Pooh Dragon, My question is:
- According from the size of the dragon how many full-plate medium sized armors can I get from him?
- How much time would it get him to create it? I think it takes around 4 to 6 months to craft one.
- How much do you think it should charge me considering that I'm giving him the materials and I'm paying only for his handlabour?
P.D. Sorry for the engrish, its my second language :D
Dragonhide:[/b] Armorsmiths can work with the hides of dragons to produce armor or shields of masterwork quality. One dragon produces enough hide for a single suit of masterwork hide armor for a creature one size category smaller than the dragon. By selecting only choice scales and bits of hide, an armorsmith can produce one suit of masterwork banded mail for a creature two sizes smaller, one suit of masterwork half-plate for a creature three sizes smaller, or one masterwork breastplate or suit of full plate for a creature four sizes smaller. In each case, enough hide is available to produce a light or heavy masterwork shield in addition to the armor, provided that the dragon is Large or larger. If the dragonhide comes from a dragon that had immunity to an energy type, the armor is also immune to that energy type, although this does not confer any protection to the wearer. If the armor or shield is later given the ability to protect the wearer against that energy type, the cost to add such protection is reduced by 25%.
Because dragonhide armor isn't made of metal, druids can wear it without penalty.
Dragonhide armor costs twice as much as masterwork armor of that type, but it takes no longer to make than ordinary armor of that type (double all Craft results).
Dragonhide has 10 hit points per inch of thickness and hardness 10. The hide of a dragon is typically between 1/2 inch and 1 inch thick.
I bolded the appropriate parts. Basically, the large dragon can provide
You can only ever get enough material from one dragon to make a single suit of armor, and a single shield.
I assume you are medium size, so you can only get hide armor made from the dragon you killed, plus one shield. Dragonhide hide armor costs 330 gold total, and takes about 7 weeks to make.
If you really wanted dragonhide full-plate, you need to kill a colossal sized dragon, not a large sized one. Cost would be 3,300 gp, and only take 41 weeks to make. Thats 10 months.
Dragonhide:[/b] Armorsmiths can work with the hides of dragons to produce armor or shields of masterwork quality. One dragon produces enough hide for a single suit of masterwork hide armor for a creature one size category smaller than the dragon. By selecting only choice scales and bits of hide, an armorsmith can produce one suit of masterwork banded mail for a creature two sizes smaller, one suit of masterwork half-plate for a creature three sizes smaller, or one masterwork breastplate or suit of full plate for a creature four sizes smaller. In each case, enough hide is available to produce a light or heavy masterwork shield in addition to the armor, provided that the dragon is Large or larger. If the dragonhide comes from a dragon that had immunity to an energy type, the armor is also immune to that energy type, although this does not confer any protection to the wearer. If the armor or shield is later given the ability to protect the wearer against that energy type, the cost to add such protection is reduced by 25%.
Because dragonhide armor isn't made of metal, druids can wear it without penalty.
Dragonhide armor costs twice as much as masterwork armor of that type, but it takes no longer to make than ordinary armor of that type (double all Craft results).
Dragonhide has 10 hit points per inch of thickness and hardness 10. The hide of a dragon is typically between 1/2 inch and 1 inch thick.
I bolded the appropriate parts. Basically, the large dragon can provide
You can only ever get enough material from one dragon to make a single suit of armor, and a single shield.
I assume you are medium size, so you can only get hide armor made from the dragon you killed, plus one shield. Dragonhide hide armor costs 330 gold total, and takes about 7 weeks to make.
If you really wanted dragonhide full-plate, you need to kill a colossal sized dragon, not a large sized one. Cost would be 3,300 gp, and only take 41 weeks to make. Thats 10 months.
Wow this is very very sad. But then the price is all wrong. Killing a colossal sized dragon should costs much more than doubling the listed price! I mean its a freaking big dragon!
Well at least I got my Hide Armor and a nice shield :P I guess I'm gonna wait for a Darkwood Ironwooded Fullplate so I will begin crafting it now :D
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Is there any other creature you can use to make Dragon Hide Armor without it being from a Dragon.
What i mean is, can you make Hide armor as good as dragon hide, from some other creature that is not a dragon??
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The special material says dragon, and most take that to mean actual dragons, i.e. True Dragons. If you interpret it to mean any creature of the dragon type, you can make armor from linnorms, dragon turtles, pseudodragons, wyverns, the various drakes in Bestiary 2, and the jabberwock.
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Is there any other creature you can use to make Dragon Hide Armor without it being from a Dragon.What i mean is, can you make Hide armor as good as dragon hide, from some other creature that is not a dragon??
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I don't know about RAW but...
For my games I've ruled you can take bits of hide from any creature with the Dragon type and make Dragon Hide Armor out of it. If they don't have an elemental subtype then you don't get the reduced cost for elemental resistances. If they have conflicting elemental subtypes (white dragon and a fire drake in one suit of armor) then the guy doing the crafting has a hard time with it (adds to the Craft DC) dependent on how different, strength of each dragon involved, ratio of subtypes, the skill of the armorsmith, etc.
So essentially I've ruled a 3rd level guy who's killed a pair of Tatzelwyrms (D0: Hollow's Last Hope), which are Medium sized, can totally get a suit of Hide Armor made but it has no elemental resistances at all since a Tatzelwyrm is basically just a CR2 snake with tiny arms and the Dragon type. Two Medium skins add to one Large, two Large to one Huge, two Huge to... you get the idea. In practice it doesn't interfere with treasure since you have to hunt the dragon yourself.
Also, Knowledge (Arcana) can still tell what kind of dragon your armor was before it was made into your armor. So if you're 3rd level with your totally awesome Tatzelwyrm armor, strutting around because you totally killed two dragons to make this armor, the wizard in the corner can still spread rumor around the bar that your Dragon Hide armor is made of snakeskin and he'll essentially be right.
In my experience it goes a long way to explain why Dragon Hide Armor is so damned cheap. That or shady armorsmiths are in fact making several suits of armor out of each dragon skin an adventurer brings in and just says it only made one suit. And then sell the other suits he made for a tidy profit.
Was wonder more along the lines of Bulette hide, Chuul hide, Dinosaur Hide, Mastodon Elepahnt hide, Floghemouth hide, or any other creature that had a skin with +10 or greater Natural Armor.
Was wonder more along the lines of Bulette hide, Chuul hide, Dinosaur Hide, Mastodon Elepahnt hide, Floghemouth hide, or any other creature that had a skin with +10 or greater Natural Armor.
Bulette proof vest?
*ducks*
Was wonder more along the lines of Bulette hide, Chuul hide, Dinosaur Hide, Mastodon Elepahnt hide, Floghemouth hide, or any other creature that had a skin with +10 or greater Natural Armor.Bulette proof vest?
*ducks*
Sends rock flying at BigNorseWolf.
Was wonder more along the lines of Bulette hide, Chuul hide, Dinosaur Hide, Mastodon Elepahnt hide, Floghemouth hide, or any other creature that had a skin with +10 or greater Natural Armor.
Ya. There's some stats and prices for armor out of blink dogs, stag beetles, a few other things in Dark Markets: A Guide to Katapesh. It's only a few examples but looking at it as RAI you can make armor out of lots of things. After all, leather armor is made of domestic cow. Auroch has +4 natural armor. Domestic cow's gonna have less than that.
Mouse Skin Armor, anyone? It would work. Tiny fey would wear it.
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Was wonder more along the lines of Bulette hide, Chuul hide, Dinosaur Hide, Mastodon Elepahnt hide, Floghemouth hide, or any other creature that had a skin with +10 or greater Natural Armor.
Ya. There's some stats and prices for armor out of blink dogs, stag beetles, a few other things in Dark Markets: A Guide to Katapesh. It's only a few examples but looking at it as RAI you can make armor out of lots of things. After all, leather armor is made of domestic cow. Auroch has +4 natural armor. Domestic cow's gonna have less than that.
Mouse Skin Armor, anyone? It would work. Tiny fey would wear it.
Dragonhide armor costs twice as much as masterwork armor of that type, but it takes no longer to make than ordinary armor of that type (double all Craft results).[/b]I bolded the appropriate parts. Basically, the large dragon can provide
You can only ever get enough material from one dragon to make a single suit of armor, and a single shield.
I assume you are medium size, so you can only get hide armor made from the dragon you killed, plus one shield. Dragonhide hide armor costs 330 gold total, and takes about 7 weeks to make.
If you really wanted dragonhide full-plate, you need to kill a colossal sized dragon, not a large sized one. Cost would be 3,300 gp, and only take 41 weeks to make. Thats 10 months.
As per the bold text, wouldn't this make the cost of the dragonhide full-plate armor 3,600gp?
1,500gp (full-plate) + 300gp (masterwork) = 1,800gp (masterwork full-plate) x 2 (dragonhide) = 3,600gp (dragonhide full-plate).
Although this seems straight forward to me, both Jeraa and the Core Rulebook are quoting dragonhide plate as 3,300gp.
Similarly, a suit dragonscale hide armor should be 630gp.
Why isn't the cost of the masterwork being doubled?
The cost of masterworking is added in afterward.
The cost of masterworking is added in afterward.
I'm not so sure. It specifically says to double the cost of the MASTERWORK armor. Masterwork armor cost 150gp + base armor. So doublign it would be (150gp + base price) x 2 = dragonhide cost.
Is the price listed somewhere that might prove otherwise?
The cost of masterworking is added in afterward.I'm not so sure. It specifically says to double the cost of the MASTERWORK armor. Masterwork armor cost 150gp + base armor. So doublign it would be (150gp + base price) x 2 = dragonhide cost.
Is the price listed somewhere that might prove otherwise?
That's my interpretation exactly, Ravingdork. My confusion comes from that dragonscale plate (Core Rulebook, p.466) lists the price as 3,300gp. That, however, is twice the cost of regular full-plate, plus the cost of masterwork - and that's not what it says on page 154 about dragonhide armor.
That, however, is twice the cost of regular full-plate, plus the cost of masterwork - and that's not what it says on page 154 about dragonhide armor.
.. it is what it says on page 154, IF you double and then add (which follows the standard rules of math)
Masterwork cost also isn't doubled when you make armor for a large or unusual creature.
Masterwork Armor
Just as with weapons, you can purchase or craft masterwork versions of armor or shields. Such a well-made item functions like the normal version, except that its armor check penalty is lessened by 1.
A masterwork suit of armor or shield costs an extra 150 gp over and above the normal cost for that type of armor or shield.
The masterwork quality of a suit of armor or shield never provides a bonus on attack or damage rolls, even if the armor or shield is used as a weapon.
All magic armors and shields are automatically considered to be of masterwork quality.
You can't add the masterwork quality to armor or a shield after it is created; it must be crafted as a masterwork item.
.. it is what it says on page 154, IF you double and then add (which follows the standard rules of math)
Masterwork Armor
Just as with weapons, you can purchase or craft masterwork versions of armor or shields. Such a well-made item functions like the normal version, except that its armor check penalty is lessened by 1.
A masterwork suit of armor or shield costs an extra 150 gp over and above the normal cost for that type of armor or shield.
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Ah, I see my problem now. I had gotten it in my head that the standard cost of masterwork armor and shields was an additional 300gp, but that's only true for weapons.
On the subject, I would like know who's killing CR 22 Great Wrym Red Dragons, then selling the hide for 550gp. (Raw materials for armor are 1/3 base price, everything sells for half)
I know my epic level parties have better things to do than kill dragons for chump change. Hell, I'd stuff that sucker and put it on my front lawn before selling it for such an insulting price.
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Is there any other creature you can use to make Dragon Hide Armor without it being from a Dragon.What i mean is, can you make Hide armor as good as dragon hide, from some other creature that is not a dragon??
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I personally use the houserule, that the hide from most creatures can be used for armor, just like dragon hide.
Armor made from the hide, cannot grant an armor bonus greater than the creatures natural armor bonus (and the armor bonus is of course limited to the armor in question).What kinds of armor you are able to make depends a lot on the creature in question, while leather and hide armor is viable for most creatures, a chainmail just isn't possible to craft from hide or scales. For creatures with a tough hide to provide a high natural armor bonus, I reckon it should be possible to make a full plate armor. Of course, some creatures can't be used for making armor (even though an air elemental armor would be flashy, it is a pain to craft it).
I just hope the OP's Druid is an evil alignment, since he's planning on wearing the skin of a fellow sentient creature... ;)
Armour made from animal intelligence monsters certainly has the appeal of being less of an ethical quagmire!
I disagree on this one.
As chromatic dragons are 'almost universally evil', I think they could be quite easily viewed as destructive forces that disrupt and destabilize the balance of nature.
For a druid, I would actually often see a greater ethical conflict in killing animal intelligence creatures, who just fills their role in nature.
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I just hope the OP's Druid is an evil alignment, since he's planning on wearing the skin of a fellow sentient creature... ;)
Armour made from animal intelligence monsters certainly has the appeal of being less of an ethical quagmire!
Druids should have a Native American outlook on dead creatures. Use every single part, letting nothing go to waste. Armor from the hides and/or bones, bones and teeth to create weapons, and and all the squishy bits for alchemy or whatever.
Druids should have a Native American outlook on dead creatures. Use every single part, letting nothing go to waste. Armor from the hides and/or bones, bones and teeth to create weapons, and and all the squishy bits for alchemy or whatever.I just hope the OP's Druid is an evil alignment, since he's planning on wearing the skin of a fellow sentient creature... ;)
Armour made from animal intelligence monsters certainly has the appeal of being less of an ethical quagmire!
I don't think wearing the hide of an Int 2 Neutral Animal is even in the same ballpark as an Int 27 LG Dragon. That would be like if someone tried to sell you a hat made from Joe, the weird foreign guy from the hut in the woods. Sure he may not look like us, and he wears funny clothes, but he's a pretty nice guy and he always shares his nuts and berries.
On the other hand, a True Neutral Druid may not care that some adventurer probably robbed and murdered Joe, skinned him and sold his hide. But, a NG one might.
Druids should have a Native American outlook on dead creatures. Use every single part, letting nothing go to waste. Armor from the hides and/or bones, bones and teeth to create weapons, and and all the squishy bits for alchemy or whatever.I just hope the OP's Druid is an evil alignment, since he's planning on wearing the skin of a fellow sentient creature... ;)
Armour made from animal intelligence monsters certainly has the appeal of being less of an ethical quagmire!
I don't think wearing the hide of an Int 2 Neutral Animal is even in the same ballpark as an Int 27 LG Dragon. That would be like if someone tried to sell you a hat made from Joe, the weird foreign guy from the hut in the woods. Sure he may not look like us, and he wears funny clothes, but he's a pretty nice guy and he always shares his nuts and berries.
On the other hand, a True Neutral Druid may not care that some adventurer probably robbed and murdered Joe, skinned him and sold his hide. But, a NG one might.
I don't think you can compare human relations to other humans, despite ethnic and cultural differences, to the difference between vastly different sentient races, where others have no resemblance whatsoever to your own, especially not when these sentient races might be ruthless creatures who seemingly exists for no other purpose than to kill you and your kind.
If the dragon in question was one of the good kind, the should certainly be a lot considerations before slaughtering it, but wearing the scales of an evil one is a well won trophy.
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Druids should have a Native American outlook on dead creatures. Use every single part, letting nothing go to waste. Armor from the hides and/or bones, bones and teeth to create weapons, and and all the squishy bits for alchemy or whatever.I just hope the OP's Druid is an evil alignment, since he's planning on wearing the skin of a fellow sentient creature... ;)
Armour made from animal intelligence monsters certainly has the appeal of being less of an ethical quagmire!
I don't think wearing the hide of an Int 2 Neutral Animal is even in the same ballpark as an Int 27 LG Dragon. That would be like if someone tried to sell you a hat made from Joe, the weird foreign guy from the hut in the woods. Sure he may not look like us, and he wears funny clothes, but he's a pretty nice guy and he always shares his nuts and berries.
On the other hand, a True Neutral Druid may not care that some adventurer probably robbed and murdered Joe, skinned him and sold his hide. But, a NG one might.I don't think you can compare human relations to other humans, despite ethnic and cultural differences, to the difference between vastly different sentient races, where others have no resemblance whatsoever to your own, especially not when these sentient races might be ruthless creatures who seemingly exists for no other purpose than to kill you and your kind.
If the dragon in question was one of the good kind, the should certainly be a lot considerations before slaughtering it, but wearing the scales of an evil one is a well won trophy.
Great Wyrm Gold Dragon to his paladin apprentice:
"My son, I am not long for this world. The wolves of years have snapped at my heels far too many centuries in my search for one such as you, one capable of upholding Good and Law in dark times as these. I have taught you all I can in this life but I fear it will never be enough. Your task is too important to leave to idle chance and the waves of fate. Therefore I leave you with one most important task. I will die. When I am dead you will skin my body and take my hide to Elrin the Smithy. He is the only armorsmith I trust to have the skills needed to preserve my essence. He will have access to my hoard for any of the materials or magics he needs to ensure my aid in your ultimate quest.
I will be with you always, my son. You will never be alone. When your quest grows so great you fear you may break, I will strengthen you. When your faith in Good and Law are tempted by the easy lures of Chaos, I will guide you. When the fires of Evil lap at your body, I will protect you. My strength is your strength, my son. My life is yours."
Dragon then kills himself and a paladin gets a suit of Gold Dragon fullplate and one epic backstory.
Great Wyrm Gold Dragon to his paladin apprentice:
"My son, I am not long for this world. The wolves of years have snapped at my heels far too many centuries in my search for one such as you, one capable of upholding Good and Law in dark times as these. I have taught you all I can in this life but I fear it will never be enough. Your task is too important to leave to idle chance and the waves of fate. Therefore I leave you with one most important task. I will die. When I am dead you will skin my body and take my hide to Elrin the Smithy. He is the only armorsmith I trust to have the skills needed to preserve my essence. He will have access to my hoard for any of the materials or magics he needs to ensure my aid in your ultimate quest.
I will be with you always, my son. You will never be alone. When your quest grows so great you fear you may break, I will strengthen you. When your faith in Good and Law are tempted by the easy lures of Chaos, I will guide you. When the fires of Evil lap at your body, I will protect you. My strength is your strength, my son. My life is yours."
Dragon then kills himself and a paladin gets a suit of Gold Dragon fullplate and one epic backstory.
Chalk it up to a difference in RP styles. I can't see a Pally I play ever skinning his mentor and fashioning armor from his flesh.
Maybe if the dragon magically and majestically disappeared leaving a suit of mail in his place.
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Great Wyrm Dragon to Paladin ally.
"You want to make dragonhide fullplate from my skin when I die? Hold on." Mutter mutter, casts limited wish to create dragonhide fullplate. "There's your armor. I'm going to outlive you by centuries. I promise not to make windchimes out of your bones when you die. Get out."
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Dragons aren't humans.
And thank goodness they're not.
For one, humans don't have scales or skins that can be put objectively to good use. Wearing human-leather armor is more for critters that want to be scary than critters who want to have good armor.
For another, humans are social creatures. Dragons aren't. Dragons typically don't care much about other dragons - it's why they've never conquered the world. Each dragon believes him or herself to be a gift to the world, especially to mortal creatures such as humans and elves.
This will influence morality. Exactly how that influence manifests is up to you, in your game.
So perhaps in some game worlds, wearing the coat made from the body of your gold dragon mentor crosses a line. In others, it's no different than using the sword and armor of your dead human mentor. Those things are the same, from a certain point of view.
Dragons aren't humans.
And thank goodness they're not.
For one, humans don't have scales or skins that can be put objectively to good use.
There's a few medical textbooks that are bound in human skin. Apparently it does a very good job.
So perhaps in some game worlds, wearing the coat made from the body of your gold dragon mentor crosses a line. In others, it's no different than using the sword and armor of your dead human mentor. Those things are the same, from a certain point of view.
RIght, this crosses into the "it violates societal values, not objective ones" territory.
There's a few medical textbooks that are bound in human skin. Apparently it does a very good job.Dragons aren't humans.
And thank goodness they're not.
For one, humans don't have scales or skins that can be put objectively to good use.
Ya, it supposedly makes a soft leather. Too soft for armor but perfect for pants. Or a poncho.
Caveat: I have not made a poncho out of a guy's skin. But I have worked with deer, pig, sheep, mink, snake, and rabbit skins on top of the standard cow. In addition I've handled goat, elk, bear, and bison skins. Every leather has something it's good for.
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Sorry, I misspoke (miswrote?)
Human skin, while possibly useful, is not nearly so uniquely valuable as dragon skin and dragon scale. Anything human skin does well can be done just fine with something else.
Dragon? Not so much.
P.S. Theoretically, one wouldn't need to actually kill a dragon to make armor or shields out of its scales... unless the scales they shed lose their virtue for some reason?
What I usually do for dragonhide armor is allow the following :
A) Any dragon type animal counts for dragon hide. That's for example, Wyverns, Drakes, Dragons, Dragonturtles, Dragonnes, half-dragons.
B) Hide from multiple dragons can be combined for making armor. This only makes sense, regular leather armor is not made from giant cows. :) I just use the rules for smaller creatures. For example, if you want full plate dragon hide, you need as much skin as you'd get from a colossal dragon. If you had a large dragon, it makes enough for MW Full plate for a diminuitive creature. Going from Medium to Diminuitive is 1/2 to Small, 1/2 to Tiny, 1/2 to Diminuitive. Since you double going the other way, it works out pretty simply. One large dragon provides 1/8th of what you need for medium Full Plate armor. Therefore, you need to kill 8 large dragons types. If you kill medium dragons, you need 16 of them. I think this is much more realistic than each set of medium full plate dragonhide armor requiring the death of a collosal dragon.
Sorry, I misspoke (miswrote?)
Human skin, while possibly useful, is not nearly so uniquely valuable as dragon skin and dragon scale. Anything human skin does well can be done just fine with something else.Dragon? Not so much.
P.S. Theoretically, one wouldn't need to actually kill a dragon to make armor or shields out of its scales... unless the scales they shed lose their virtue for some reason?
Dragonhide armor implies it's skin with scales still attached.
EDIT : I've always imagined it much like snake skin, only much larger and thicker.
I think this is much more realistic than each set of medium full plate dragonhide armor requiring the death of a collosal dragon.
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I think this is much more realistic than each set of medium full plate dragonhide armor requiring the death of a collosal dragon.
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Yeah, I'd be inclined to be generous. A colossal dragon should produce enough hide to armor a dozen people. If it runs the risk of throwing off WBL, just reduce the amount of coin it sleeps on by that amount. :)
Using those guidelines, I'd need to kill two 800 lb. cows to get enough usable leather to make a pair of sneakers, and possibly have enough cow left to make a hamburger.
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Is there any other creature you can use to make Dragon Hide Armor without it being from a Dragon.What i mean is, can you make Hide armor as good as dragon hide, from some other creature that is not a dragon??
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Probably not. However, the creature's skin is potentially able to offset the cost of masterwork Hide.
Batts
and on a related note, is a blacksmith any good working with dragon scale? I mean, it's not actually metal (though if he actually posesses craft: armour then I don't see a mechanical problem)
On another tangent, who is doing the skinning? I mean, a good sized dragon is a ton or two of meat. Are we going to just sit in the lair and skin it right there, or were we dragging the body to a professional to get the job done. What would the skill be to skin it anyway. survival? Profession: butcher?
As I am led to believe, it takes a bit of time and effort to skin something, first the slicing, then perhaps some curing.
I know It's come up in a game or two of mine. deep in the mountains a half dragon/crocodile gets slain by the PC's and they debate the whole skinning it for leather. 3 days march back to a hearth, and another 3 by road to an actual town with a leatherworker. They left it there rather than hack it to pieces and drag it back with them.
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and on a related note, is a blacksmith any good working with dragon scale? I mean, it's not actually metal (though if he actually posesses craft: armour then I don't see a mechanical problem)
Craft(armor) works, but not Profession(blacksmith). I let any player with Craft(leather) make hide hide and leather armors or a hide shield (same stats as wood version).
On another tangent, who is doing the skinning? I mean, a good sized dragon is a ton or two of meat. Are we going to just sit in the lair and skin it right there, or were we dragging the body to a professional to get the job done. What would the skill be to skin it anyway. survival? Profession: butcher?
As I am led to believe, it takes a bit of time and effort to skin something, first the slicing, then perhaps some curing.
Survival DC 15 for most creatures. Can't remember where I saw that, but I am sure it was 3.5. My house rule is DC = 10 + natural AC bonus.
I know It's come up in a game or two of mine. deep in the mountains a half dragon/crocodile gets slain by the PC's and they debate the whole skinning it for leather. 3 days march back to a hearth, and another 3 by road to an actual town with a leatherworker. They left it there rather than hack it to pieces and drag it back with them.
I make them spend 1 hour to skin a medium creature and then 1 + size modifier per hour for bigger creatures. Any creature of small or less takes 30 minutes. Curing is done with Craft(leather) and can be done by tossing in a sack with some chemicals. But that is fast and easy rule and not realistic at all.
If you've got a cleric or a wand, you don't have to do all of it in the field. Just skin the carcass and stuff the bits in a sack. Have a cleric cast 'purify food and water' on the bits every day. If it works to keep a hunk of meat fresh, it should work on the skin of the whatever. It's just flesh. By the same token, anything that keeps a corpse good (like gentle repose, etc) should do just fine as well.
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I have players that try to squeeze every possible ounce/type of loot from any encounter. Selling the meat/parts from monsters and the belongings (including property using forged deeds) from any NPC. So I had to create a few rules. My house rules on leather/hide armors:
Leather/Studded Leather/Hide/Banded plus a light or heavy shield - creature must be one size bigger than the resulting armor/shield
Breast/Half-Plate/Full-Plate plus any shield - creature must be two sizes bigger than the resulting armor/shield
Natural AC Bonus - Creature must have a natural armor bonus to be made into armor
Minimum Natural AC Bonus
2-4 to make leather/studded leather
5-9 to make hide/banded
10+ to make breast/half-plate/full-plate
extra Armor/Shield Bonus above base value:
Dinosaur, gargantuan or larger: +1
Dragon, old - ancient: +1
Dragon, wyrm or older: +2
Vermin, huge or larger: +1
Costs to Craft are as per the Core Rulebook. If the armor gets an extra AC bonus, multiply the added bonus by 1000 gp. Ex: Dragonhide full-plate crafted from a wyrm dragon costs 3000 gp (double full-plate) + 300 gp (double masterwork) + 2000 gp (+2 times 1000 gp) = 5300 gp
Wow this is very very sad. But then the price is all wrong. Killing a colossal sized dragon should costs much more than doubling the listed price! I mean its a freaking big dragon!
I don't think that price assumes that you go and off a legendary creature of legend (the redundancy is intentional to highlight just how much of a legendary legend those things are) just so you can suit up in style.
Those critters (all of which are beyond CR 20) are usually fought because they're threatening entire nations (or planes). Or maybe because someone wants to get to that hoard, which can easily be worth half a million gil. The lizard's hide is just icing on the cake.
Well at least I got my Hide Armor and a nice shield :P I guess I'm gonna wait for a Darkwood Ironwooded Fullplate so I will begin crafting it now :D
See, what you do is find a nice metallic dragon, like a gold, what is moulting and offer it to take care of its old hide free of charge. ;-)
Was wonder more along the lines of Bulette hide, Chuul hide, Dinosaur Hide, Mastodon Elepahnt hide, Floghemouth hide, or any other creature that had a skin with +10 or greater Natural Armor.
But then it's not dragonhide armour. That's dragonrexine armour. You'll be the laughingstock of the professional adventuring scene.
After all, leather armor is made of domestic cow.
That's an overly simplified and not completely true statement. Unless your name is Gaga, that is.
I just hope the OP's Druid is an evil alignment, since he's planning on wearing the skin of a fellow sentient creature... ;)
Druids don't give much thought about the sentient part. For them, all live is sacred etc. Or not. Anyway, a human or a cow, it's all the same.
That would be like if someone tried to sell you a hat made from Joe, the weird foreign guy from the hut in the woods.
Doesn't say they killed Joe. But if Joe was already dead, it would be a waste not to use his hide.
But then again, weird guys living in huts in the woods rarely rub the lotion on their skin.
Dragon then kills himself and a paladin gets a suit of Gold Dragon fullplate and one epic backstory.
"So this draconic geezer didn't want to get so old that he'd soil his hoard, so he took an overdose of sleeping potions (half a lake of that stuff) and I got to skin his carcass and bring it to this smith."
Your definition of epic varies from mine considerably.
Anything human skin does well can be done just fine with something else.
Scarecreep the living bejeezuz out of some blokes?