Hello, the board. Been reading for a bit, now I have my own little thread to add!
I'm playing an Elven Cleric in a friends Eberron game, and we're level 7, getting close to level 8. I've taken the Nobility and Repose domains for my character, and I'll be getting the Leadership feat for free at the next level.
The party right now consists of myself, two rogues played by relative newcomers to the game, and thus not optimized at all, and a Monk played by a solid, competent player. So we lack something in the way of a full BAB heavily armored anchor for us to flit around, and that's what I'd like to contribute with my cohort.
So I'm here to ask for advice on an appropriately even powered, mechanically simple as possible, way to represent an Undying Soldier sent to aid my cleric on his adventures. What type of level adjustment should I make for such a thing? 1 level? 2? My DM is flexible, and would be willing to work with me on the rules if something turns out to be too powerful or not strong enough, but I'd still like to get a baseline from you folks.
I'm thinking, underneath the Deathless template, or whatever, would be a standard sword and board fighter, probably with Expertise chain to represent his general 'guard'iness.
So, any suggestions, ideas, or questions?
i would look in "Libris Mortis" that would be you best bet luck to you thow
Libris Mortis is more for when you want an Undead cohort, which will clash with you being the good guys.
But the Undying in Eberron were based on the Deathless creature type in Book of Exalted Deeds, which are basically Undead, except they're powered by Positive instead of Negative Energy.
However, there are only two of them in the book; the Crypt Warden (CR 8, pg 167) and the Sacred Watcher (CR 7, pg 182).
Simplest way to do it would be to take a normal Fighter, apply the Zombie template (or maybe one of the templates from Libris Mortis, liek the Necropolitan) but don't change his INT or WIS and his alignment must be Good, then look over the Deathless creature type in Book of Exalted Deeds to see how to change some of the mechanics. Of course, you have to check so see that his CR or EFCL matches that of the Leadership feat.
Best guess I figure. Never really had something like this come up. Deathless are pretty rare.
Chimi Wolf wrote:
I'm playing an Elven Cleric in a friends Eberron game, and we're level 7, getting close to level 8.
The party right now consists of myself, two rogues played by relative newcomers to the game, and thus not optimized at all, and a Monk played by a solid, competent player.
So, any suggestions, ideas, or questions?
It sounds as if your party can be very quiet when they want to be. I would go with something that would augment this as well as what you seem to be lacking.
Rather than a front line fighter I would suggest an arcane caster as it sounds as if you have 3 skirmishers that would benefit greatly from a buffing/supporting and area controlling wizard.
I'd use the necropolitan template from Libris Mortis if your DM is willing to call that even for 'deathless' which doesn't seem all that out of line.
I would suggest that you either go with wizard or shadow bloodline sorcerer. Regardless I'd go with a small sized caster, taking skill focus stealth and hellcat stealth for the 1st & 7th level feats (when they come on line), the others could be some item creation that you are missing yourself to help equip your fellow PCs.
-James
Ah, and now we come to all the things I would have mentioned in the first post.
james maissen wrote:
It sounds as if your party can be very quiet when they want to be. I would go with something that would augment this as well as what you seem to be lacking.
Rather than a front line fighter I would suggest an arcane caster as it sounds as if you have 3 skirmishers that would benefit greatly from a buffing/supporting and area controlling wizard.
I'd use the necropolitan template from Libris Mortis if your DM is willing to call that even for 'deathless' which doesn't seem all that out of line.
I would suggest that you either go with wizard or shadow bloodline sorcerer. Regardless I'd go with a small sized caster, taking skill focus stealth and hellcat stealth for the 1st & 7th level feats (when they come on line), the others could be some item creation that you are missing yourself to help equip your fellow PCs.
-James While our party is half rogue, the players are very new...and not too quick to do much scouting or hiding type things...and the DM is more of the 'encounter here, then encounter here' type...being super sneaky wouldn't really do much to help us out.
Similarly, since they are both rather new, I've been doing my best to let them 'take the stage' as it were. My feats so far are Command Deathless, Craft Wondrous, Craft Arms & Armor, and Forge Ring. So, while I can't craft everything, I've still got the basics covered on that. So I would hate to bring in another caster who would throw around big splashy effects. And flavor-wise, I think it makes more sense for the Cleric to be sent a warrior companion.
I had thought of looking at the Necropolitan template as an example, but (and it's been a while since I've looked at it) I seem to recall that it doesn't have a Level Adjustment, it makes you lose a level when you take it...a level that in 3.5 would be gravy-trained away after a few levels. So, were I to run some Deathless companion as a Necropolitan character with the poles flipped, what would be an appropriate level for it? Would it be effectively LA +1, or would it be an even trade, Deathless traits for Deathless weaknesses?
Chimi Wolf wrote:
Similarly, since they are both rather new, I've been doing my best to let them 'take the stage' as it were. My feats so far are Command Deathless, Craft Wondrous, Craft Arms & Armor, and Forge Ring. So, while I can't craft everything, I've still got the basics covered on that. So I would hate to bring in another caster who would throw around big splashy effects. And flavor-wise, I think it makes more sense for the Cleric to be sent a warrior companion.
I guess that I think that a fighter-type will overshadow more than say a buffing arcane.
If you think that wizard would prove too strong in that regard I'd suggest a bard.
But if you are set on a fighter-type.. isn't there an undying soldier that's low CR that you could use as a base? I could be wrong.. it's been a long time since I've looked over them.
As to the necropolitan template it was +0LA and probably rightfully so for the drawbacks.
-James
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