A summoner with the Brew Potion feat could indeed make a potion of greater invisibility, and an alchemist would be able to use their Eternal Potion discovery with that. Brew Potion only requires a spell of 3rd level or lower and for a summoner GI meets that.
A potion of invisibility sphere would work as written. Giving invisibility to all creatures within 10 feet of the imbiber. As per the spell the 10 foot radius would move with the imbiber.
Potions are not allowed to have duplicate a spell over 3rd level so greater invis is out.
edit:changed "now" to "not"
But as mentioned above, greater invisibility is 3rd for a summoner.
But as mentioned above, greater invisibility is 3rd for a summoner.
Darn it, foiled again.
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Invisibility Sphere is not a targeted spell, it's an emanation:
"10-ft.-radius emanation around the creature"
I'm fairly certain that in spite of the fact that you cast it on a person this means you cannot make it into a potion. To make a potion it needs to have a target of "Creature" or "Creatures". Similar issues with Magic Circle :(
Greater Invisibility is technically legal now but some GMs might not allow it. I'd likely
This spell functions like invisibility, except that this spell confers invisibility upon all creatures within 10 feet of the recipient at the time the spell is cast. The center of the effect is mobile with the recipient.
This line would suggest otherwise, but it does lead to some interpretation one way or another.
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This spell functions like invisibility, except that this spell confers invisibility upon all creatures within 10 feet of the recipient at the time the spell is cast. The center of the effect is mobile with the recipient.This line would suggest otherwise, but it does lead to some interpretation one way or another.
It can duplicate the effect of a spell of up to 3rd level that has a casting time of less than 1 minute and targets one or more creatures.
The target of a spell is pretty specific, it's what's listed in the 'target' line of the spell. There isn't much to interpret. There is no target line, doesn't work.
You'll also notice that Invisibility sphere has no duration line, Saving throw line, or range line. That is because they are all in the invisibility spell. It specifies around the creature, What creature, if there is no target?
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Spells cannot be both emanations and targeted. For example look at the way Magic Circle against Evil is written which has a nearly identical emanation from a creature sort of effect.
The 'area' line in Invisibility Circle replaces the 'target' line, you don't have both.
Refer to the 'Aiming a Spell' section in the magic chapter.
You must make choices about whom a spell is to affect or where an effect is to originate, depending on a spell's type. The next entry in a spell description defines the spell's target (or targets), its effect, or its area, as appropriate.
The next "entry", not entries, a spell can have a target, an effect, or an area, not multiples.
But, it must target a creature, it says that in it's "area".
Invisibility SphereSchool illusion (glamer); Level bard 3, sorcerer/wizard 3
Components: V, S, M
Area 10-ft.-radius emanation around the creature
This spell functions like invisibility, except that this spell confers invisibility upon all creatures within 10 feet of the recipient at the time the spell is cast. The center of the effect is mobile with the recipient.
Those affected by this spell can see each other and themselves as if unaffected by the spell. Any affected creature moving out of the area becomes visible, but creatures moving into the area after the spell is cast do not become invisible. Affected creatures (other than the recipient) who attack negate the invisibility only for themselves. If the spell recipient attacks, the invisibility sphere ends.
Bolds are mine, this is obviously a poorly worded spell.
IMO when the Invisibility Sphere spell states This spell functions like invisibility, that means it takes all of the details of the Invisibility spell except as noted, including target.
But it still has a target, (the bold). Also, it's area doesn't function like it should:
Regardless of the shape of the area, you select the point where the spell originates, but otherwise you don't control which creatures or objects the spell affects. The point of origin of a spell is always a grid intersection. When determining whether a given creature is within the area of a spell, count out the distance from the point of origin in squares just as you do when moving a character or when determining the range for a ranged attack. The only difference is that instead of counting from the center of one square to the center of the next, you count from intersection to intersection.
but...
Area 10-ft.-radius emanation around the creature
See? It's written as though it should be Target, not Area.
As DM, would i allow Invisibility Sphere to be made into a potion, yes.
But that potion would only affect the drinker of the potion. Not everyone around him
Would be cheaper to make a Invisibility potion. So very few people would use Invisibility sphere potion as it would cost more (higher level x higher caster level).
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Why = A cleric might have a domain spell list with Invisibility Sphere on it, but not invisibility. Only reason i can think of why they would use this option, or sorcerer who took one spell and not the other.
As DM, would i allow Invisibility Sphere to be made into a potion, yes.
But that potion would only affect the drinker of the potion. Not everyone around him
Yup. It's just like a potion of Haste; it only affects the drinker.
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See? It's written as though it should be Target, not Area.
A spell is either a target spell (ie has a target line) or an emanation spell (has an area line). It is not both. If it were a target spell it couldn't have an area effect, re-read the 'Aiming a Spell', it's pretty clear you can't have a spell that is both.
There are spells that 'target' all allies in a given radius, look at Weird as an example:
"Targets any number of creatures, no two of which can be more than 30 ft. apart"
Invisibility sphere is centered on a specific creature but that creature is not the spells "target", it just happens to be the center of the effect.
Take Arcane Concordance into consideration. Invisibility Sphere acts, in terms of target and area, just like this spell. So are you saying a potion of Arcane Concordance would not confer its benefits on the people in the emanation?
10 - ft- radius emanation around the creature.
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The creature is the target
The 10 ft radius emanation, would just be doped if used in a potion. (potion only effects the target)
On the other hand = Add Craft ### Item feat + spell; and the only effect target limitation is lifted. Now the emanation effects everyone within 10 feet.
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(PS) the only advantage to Potions, is that they do not use up a Item Slot, and do not have to pay (x2 for no slot item). This make potion cheaper than wondrous item that would do the same thing.
Is there somewhere in the rules that states that emanations don't work with potions? You are not targeting multiple creatures with it, just the imbider.
Arcane Concordance, I do see that this spell is specifically You as the target, but Invisibility Sphere acts like Invisibility for Target(s). Area has nothing to do with Target, it is just the area around the target.
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Arcane Concordance
Hah!
Then I will withdraw my complaint about the emanation even though I still think the wording in Aiming a Spell contradicts it you have a solid example.
I made myself confused by all this spell stuff. My mind is going crazy :)
EDIT: I think the Aiming a Spell entry is supposed to only be used when calculating how far out it reaches, hence the grid intersection. So even if the creature is in the middle of the square, you still calculate from intersection. I guess you pick a certain corner when you cast or drink it. I don't know, it is a tad unclear.
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I made myself confused by all this spell stuff. My mind is going crazy :)
EDIT: I think the Aiming a Spell entry is supposed to only be used when calculating how far out it reaches, hence the grid intersection. So even if the creature is in the middle of the square, you still calculate from intersection. I guess you pick a certain corner when you cast or drink it. I don't know, it is a tad unclear.
Well to be honest I think Arcane Concordance is a mistake along the lines of the assortment of potions of shield I've seen but I can't really prove that so unless they errata that I got nothin'.
*shrug*
Is there somewhere in the rules that states that emanations don't work with potions? You are not targeting multiple creatures with it, just the imbider.
Page 551 = Crating Potions =
"The imbiber of the potion is both the caster and the target. Spells with a range of personal cannot be made into potions."
Page 477 = Potions =
"Potions are like spells cast upon the imbiber. The character taking the potion doesn't get to make any decisions about the effect -- The caster who brewed the potion has already done so. The drinker of a potion is both the effective target and the caster of the effect (thought the potion indicates the caster level, the drinker still controls the effect)"
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There is no rule that Emanations do not work.
The only limitation is that the drinker of the potion is the only target of the effect. ((This is heavy implied that only the drinker is the target, but no rules about emanation are given.))
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Home brew = DM is always free to allow it. But i would stick to the effect ONLY effecting the drinker.
The only target is the imbider. The area isn't technically targeting anyone, it is an effect emanating from the targeted creature.