Smuggler's Shiv Map Scale Discrepancies


Serpent's Skull


I just downloaded the PDF copy of the Map Folio and I noticed that the legend on it says 2000 feet. That seemed a bit off so I looked at the map in AP #37, and sure enough the legend (which is less than half as wide) is 2 miles.

Width/Size Comparison:
In AP #37, the 2-mile legend is as wide as the northern part of the south-eastern peninsula. By contrast, the legend in the map folio is over twice this width. In otherwords instead of that peninsula being ~10,000 feet across, it would now be about 900 feet across.

Personally I'm more fond of the larger map scale (i.e. where the island is ~15 miles from north to south) vs. this new 1.25 mile long island.

Since my group hasn't yet made it to the island, I'm wondering which scale to use. I'm also curious how other GMs have handled this. Alternately, if any devs could comment, it would be appreciated.

Paizo Employee Creative Director

Ugh... lame.

That's an error. The map scale in the adventure is correct; Smuggler's Shiv is about 15 miles long from north to south.

The map scale is correct for the other maps of the cities—those locations are MUCH smaller than Smuggler's Shiv. The scale simply got the art equivalent of a copy/paste error, and no one caught it. Lovely.


Oh damn. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news then. :(

I do appreciate the quick reply and clarification though. Thanks for that!

With that in mind, just sizing things up with the measuring tool in photoshop, if the map folio's scale is considered 4 miles, then that works out to a length of 14.7 miles, so that seems about right. Each tick would thus be 1/2 a mile.

James:
BTW, I'm guessing you have a thing for red-heads and strong, attractive female NPCs in general huh? Between Red Hand of Doom and AP #37, it seems that all of the coolest NPCs are hot red-heads: Soranna Anitah, Ulwai Stormcaller, Lady Kaal, Sasha Nevah, Kassata Lewynn... All the guys seem kinda wimpy by comparison: Norro Wiston, Duke Jarmaath, Ishirou, Gelik Aberwhinge, Captain Kovack...

Not that I'm complaining, but back when I was running RHoD, my players started noticing that everytime they ran into a capable NPC, it was always a red-head. We're on to you buddy! ;D

Paizo Employee Creative Director

Laithoron wrote:
...wrote a keen observation about redheads and strong, attractive female NPCs...

You're not the first person to notice that, that's for sure. Although the same can be said about female NPCs with white hair and black hair...


James Jacobs wrote:
Laithoron wrote:
...wrote a keen observation about redheads and strong, attractive female NPCs...
You're not the first person to notice that, that's for sure. Although the same can be said about female NPCs with white hair and black hair...

He forgot to mention:
Aeshamara. You even have your NPCs mooning over red-heads.

This thread deserves pictures for clarification! :-)


James Jacobs wrote:

Ugh... lame.

That's an error. The map scale in the adventure is correct; Smuggler's Shiv is about 15 miles long from north to south.

The map scale is correct for the other maps of the cities—those locations are MUCH smaller than Smuggler's Shiv. The scale simply got the art equivalent of a copy/paste error, and no one caught it. Lovely.

On the plus side, I just got my map folio and it looks like the error might be limited to the PDF. My PDF has the error, but the printed map does list 4 miles.

Paizo Employee Creative Director

Sniggevert wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:

Ugh... lame.

That's an error. The map scale in the adventure is correct; Smuggler's Shiv is about 15 miles long from north to south.

The map scale is correct for the other maps of the cities—those locations are MUCH smaller than Smuggler's Shiv. The scale simply got the art equivalent of a copy/paste error, and no one caught it. Lovely.

On the plus side, I just got my map folio and it looks like the error might be limited to the PDF. My PDF has the error, but the printed map does list 4 miles.

Whew.

Weird, but whew.

EDIT: CONFIRMED. Just checked my print copy and it has the correct scale on it.


Oh, that's really great news, I'm glad! Is this why the PDF says not available until Jan 26 even though I was already able to DL my subscriber copy?

Liberty's Edge

Everyone knows the redhead gene is responsible for all competent women in the world! Sadly it seems to have the opposite effect on males.


My copy of the Map Folio just arrived and I can confirm that the printed scale for Smuggler's Shiv is correct on mine also.

As a test, I re-downloaded the PDF and it still shows 2000 feet. Thank goodness the unalterable version at least came out correctly. :)

The Exchange

So the Scale on the folio map is supposed to be 4 mi, with each tick being 1/4 mi?

Silver Crusade

Necroing this post because something interesting happen with my table this week.

I was running this for a second group. After getting through book 6 and some other things the players decided based on buying nobility section of the sargava lost colony book to go for a title and deed to the smugglers shiv. They pooled gold and purchased the title. 14 miles x 12 miles is roughly 108,000 acres.

100 acre of jungle is 500g.

1080 x 500 = 540,000 gold. Because its an island they offered the Baron 600,000 gold.

Title granted was "Grand Shiver of the Western Light" It was purchased on 22nd Pharast 4711. This thread helped figure out the rough cost, as we didnt wanna be precise and nitpick.

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