Object weight for tiny characters


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Two questions; if gear for small-sized characters weighs 1/4 as much as the same equipment for medium-sized, then what might be the reduction in weight for tiny-sized characters?

Also, all magic items have a static weight listed in their descriptions. Assuming that items worn (such as cloaks, headbands and boots) re-size themselves to fit their wearers, would the listed weight change for those items?

I'm playing a tiny character (a faen spryte) with a low strength, so every fraction of a pound matters.


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Yar!

The safe assumption (although I do hate assumptions... they can be very dangerous, always -ALWAYS!- double check with your DM, especially in areas not specifically detailed by the rules, like expanding formulae to cover non-standard issues, like Tiny PC's) would be to continue the progression.

Regular gear:

Medium to Small = 1/4
Small to Tiny = 1/4 again (a.k.a. 1/16th of Medium)

Weapon and Armor are not as weight efficient

Medium to Small = 1/2
Small to Tiny = 1/10*

*Just checked the PRD, and it includes a weight adjustment for armor for unusual creatures "Tiny and smaller". Armor for Tiny creatures is 1/10th the weight! (but also gives an AC bonus of 1/2 normal).

linky to equipment section (you'll have to scroll down a bit)

d20pfsrd.com does not include the "Tiny and Smaller" addition, in case you are checking there.

Also: Darkwood is your friend. Halve the weight again, and way less expensive than mithral. (though if/when cost is not as much of an issue, Mithral does give greater benefits ala max dex and armor check penalty reduction).

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As for resized magic items, I'd personally rule that they do increase/reduce weight accordingly. Not sure if that's RAW or not... I actually don't have enough time to check on that right now, but that's usually how I do it.

~P


Pirate wrote:
double check with your DM, especially in areas not specifically detailed by the rules, like expanding formulae to cover non-standard issues, like Tiny PC's.

Heh. That assumes that one's GM has a ready answer (or at least an opinion) on such a matter. My GM would likely turn around and ask me "what do they say about it on the Paizo boards?" Which is why I'm asking.

Pirate wrote:

1/16th of Medium

Armor for Tiny creatures is 1/10th the weight! (but also gives an AC bonus of 1/2 normal).

That'd seem to be the default assumption; though it does lead me to wonder at what fraction of a pound does an item's weight become "negligible". Tracking things with a weight listing of 0.0625 lb. seems rather silly.

Still wondering if there's an official word on the weight of resizing magic items.


Ambrus wrote:

Tracking things with a weight listing of 0.0625 lb. seems rather silly.

That's still 1oz.


1 oz matters as much to a 6 str tiny character as 1lb matters to a 17 str medium creature. So its really just a matter of how much your group does or doesnt track encumberance.


When you figure a tiny character is likely to have a low strength, and that for encumbrance you treat the numbers as 1/2 from the table- tracking weight even by the oz's can still add up.

10 str is 16 lbs or so for a tiny creature- for the light load.

-S


Do the following: Create another character, a human maybe, who gets the same build as the sprite. Then give him the same equipment and see if he can wear it. If he does, I see no problem with the sprite wearing it.

Btw, why does a character of this size even use weapons? They don´t do any damage and since CMB is influenced by size they won´t be good at maneuvers either. And altough you could argue that a tiny rogue gets the same sneak attack bonus by the system I don´t see that. (while I see no reasons to lower the damage of magic attacks like rays and of course save DCs of mind effecting spells... that´s just how imagine tiny civilised creatures, other than carrion swarms and the like, fighting "the big ones")


Ksorkrax wrote:
Btw, why does a character of this size even use weapons?

My character doesn't; he's a sorcerer / oracle / mystic theurge. He's never carried any weapons or armor aside from a silver dagger given to him as a gift.

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