ok here a small storey a Demon, shadow (cr7) use magic jar spell and takes control a Skeletal Champion (cr2)(i know why do you take something higher then him thats my point im testing them "lvl 2 party" he has biger fish to kill) go back to what i was saying
Quote: If you are successful, your life force occupies the host body, and the host’s life force is imprisoned in the magic jar. You keep your Intelligence, Wisdom, Charisma, Level, Class, Base Attack Bonus, and Base save Bonuses, Alignment, and Mental Abilities. The body retains its Strength, Dexterity, Constitution, Hit points, Natural Abilities, and Automatic abilities. A body with extra limbs does not allow you to make more attacks (or more advantageous two-weapon attacks) than normal. You can’t choose to activate the body’s extraordinary or supernatural abilities. The creature’s spells and spell-like abilities do not stay with the body. with magic jar spell what would be the CR of Skeletal Champion?
what dose Automatic abilities mean?
Quote: Sunlight Powerlessness (Ex) A shadow demon is utterly powerless in bright light or natural sunlight and flees from it. A shadow demon caught in such light cannot attack and can take only a single move or attack action. A shadow demon that is possessing a creature using magic jar is not harmed by sunlight, but if it is struck by a sunbeam or sunray spell while possessing a creature, the shadow demon is driven out of its host automatically.[/qoute]
also a demon, shadow has Sunlight Powerlessness what would the CR be of he dont have it?
"Automatically abilities" are not defined. I would say any natural EX or SU abilities.
I would say CR3,at the most CR4.
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Regeneration is an example of an automatic ability. A troll (or similar creature) doesn't have to activate it or turn it on. It's simply always there, automatic in other words.
If I were to magic jar a troll, I would be a large spellcaster with regeneration and my full spellcasting abilities. :P
chaoskin wrote: Quote: Sunlight Powerlessness (Ex) A shadow demon is utterly powerless in bright light or natural sunlight and flees from it. A shadow demon caught in such light cannot attack and can take only a single move or attack action. A shadow demon that is possessing a creature using magic jar is not harmed by sunlight, but if it is struck by a sunbeam or sunray spell while possessing a creature, the shadow demon is driven out of its host automatically.[/qoute]
also a demon, shadow has Sunlight Powerlessness what would the CR be of he dont have it?
this one or do ypu know a shadow or a icorporeal monster that dont mine being in the sun?
chaoskin wrote:
this one or do you know a shadow or a icorporeal monster that dont mine being in the sun?
Ghost do mind being in the sun, so you could choose that. Or you could make it a Lich, whose phylactery has been damaged, so he is unable to reform to his true self, but his spirit is partly free, allowing him to look for ways to resume power.
The CR of the Shadow Demon / Skeletal champion is a bit difficult to determine, as it depends a lot on how you control it. The abilities can make it way too hard for a level 2 party, if you choose. For one thing, it could summon another shadow demon with 50% chance, making it a quick TPK, or it will prove a very difficult if it uses its spells (fear, telekinesis, and shadow evocation and conjuration) as the DCs are so high, they only have a small chance of making the saves.
If you don't (and you shouldn't), it is pretty much a skeletal champion with a higher attack bonus, and a lot higher saves.
HaraldKlak wrote:
Ghost do mind being in the sun, so you could choose that. Or you could make it a Lich, whose phylactery has been damaged, so he is unable to reform to his true self, but his spirit is partly free, allowing him to look for ways to resume power.
thats a good i idea but its uudead
Quote: The CR of the Shadow Demon / Skeletal champion is a bit difficult to determine, as it depends a lot on how you control it. The abilities can make it way too hard for a level 2 party, if you choose. For one thing, it could summon another shadow demon with 50% chance, making it a quick TPK, or it will prove a very difficult if it uses its spells (fear, telekinesis, and shadow evocation and conjuration) as the DCs are so high, they only have a small chance of making the saves.
If you don't (and you shouldn't), it is pretty much a skeletal champion with a higher attack bonus, and a lot higher saves.
true here me on a other forum
nealpb wrote: Here a small background storey for you. My party unlocks a monster and one of his minions that likes to control other monster by taking other the body and using for him self (possession) but has the boss gets stronger the minion start having more control and start gave to control monster more power (str, con, spells ect) something the base monster would have. I don’t like using psionics for this only magic. D&D game, any ideas? and the only thing i find is magic jar. what i was going to do is he only has the str to control him (Skeletal champion) no BAB, no saves, no spells ect only control. when the party gets higher in level i will add more. or as GM to GM do you have a other idea for this?
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