Came up in the game last night, also what sensory ability does an earth elemental have while traveling through earth,rock,mud?
Came up in the game last night, also what sensory ability does an earth elemental have while traveling through earth,rock,mud?
especially in terms of attacking, grappling, pushing/pulling the person out of stone.
I've asked this question before about earth elemental seeing while earth gliding here, and if you have a look there, you will see there is no "official" answer at all for seeing while using the earth elemental spell. However my DM has agreed that my druid can have vision out to 60 feet similar to dark vision while earth gliding.
As for someone under the effect of meld into stone, they would still not be visible to the druid while just looking at the stone as until earth gliding then you would see it as normal stone/rock/etc. I would still think a perception check would be needed to spot subject in the stone, or at least see that there is something odd about the stone.
So then you could attack the stone and do damage as the spell details, or earth glide in and attack the subject directly (assuming there is room to do so). Any sort of attack I would think would expel the subject, so an attack to get some damage would be first choice.
As for attacking using earth gliding, as earth gliding is a personal effect, then you can't take anyone along for the ride, which really rules doing any sort of "drowning" effects while bringing the opponent along with you. But if you were doing a bull rush or overrun to push your opponent into a rock wall or something, means they would run into it, but you would pass right through.
I've used earth glide to attack from the side, underneath before, but that always leaves you exposed for a counter attack, unless you had spring attack. However doing this really gives you a degree of 3D tactics that typically only wizards have had access to while flying.
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"Become one with the stone" - Koo Stoneguts, dwarven mystic
My ruling was that the user of meld into stone is indistinguishable from the stone. Only damage or effects on the stone itself affect the caster. So unless the caster was seen going into the stone, she can't be perceived.
Minor physical damage to the stone does not harm you, but its partial destruction (to the extent that you no longer fit within it) expels you and deals you 5d6 points of damage. The stone's complete destruction expels you and slays you instantly unless you make a DC 18 Fortitude save. Even if you make your save, you still take 5d6 points of damage.If the spell's duration expires or the effect is dispelled before you voluntarily exit the stone, you are violently expelled and take 5d6 points of damage.
The following spells harm you if cast upon the stone that you are occupying. Stone to flesh expels you and deals you 5d6 points of damage. Stone shape deals 3d6 points of damage but does not expel you. Transmute rock to mud expels you and then slays you instantly unless you make a DC 18 Fortitude save, in which case you are merely expelled. Finally, passwall expels you without damage.
The caster doesn't really know what is going on outside the stone because she can only hear. Sounds waves vibrating on stone for the scienciness explanation.
Nothing that goes on outside the stone can be seen, but you can still hear what happens around you.
When it comes to the earth glide ability, I have always ruled the caster of meld into stone won't be noticed by another moving through the stone. Earth glide seems to be a gaseous form that can move through stone, whereas, melding into stone is more like becoming part of the stone. May not be the right answer but removes alot of potential complications.
We ran into these issues often playing a campaign set in the Darklands. Group had a dwarven druid, derro cleric with earth domain, and a kobold sorcerer with the earth elemental bloodline. My favorite character was the svirfneblin ranger because he was so uncomplicated when it came to 'WTF, this isn't covered anywhere! Wonder DM powers activate...'
Earth Elements have Tremorsense 60', so that's how they "see", but as far as effecting another creature? I have no idea.
Earth Elements have Tremorsense 60', so that's how they "see", but as far as effecting another creature? I have no idea.
And that was the issue that when using the elemental body spell, you didn't get tremorsense but earthglide so how do you see...