Spell Turning vs Dispel Magic-Fight!!!

[wraithstrike]

The title was sort of a joke but in all seriousness I am trying to figure out what happens if you try to dispel Spell Turning.

[Rathendar]

wraithstrike wrote:

The title was sort of a joke but in all seriousness I am trying to figure out what happens if you try to dispel Spell Turning.

I believe that 1 of 2 things happens. If you cast the area dispel, the Dispel works normally in effect, and if you use the targeted Dispel, Spell Turning works against it.

[wraithstrike]

Rathendar wrote:

wraithstrike wrote:

The title was sort of a joke but in all seriousness I am trying to figure out what happens if you try to dispel Spell Turning.

I believe that 1 of 2 things happens. If you cast the area dispel, the Dispel works normally in effect, and if you use the targeted Dispel, Spell Turning works against it.

That makes sense. I guess I will go with that.

[InzemO.On]

That is, I think, a subtile question.
I believe that the answer actually depends on how exactly the Dispel was targeted.
From the spell descriptions :
- Spell Turning : "turns only spells that have *you* as a target"
- Targeted Dispel : "One object, creature, *or spell* is the target of the dispel magic spell"

in consequence:
a) If the Dispel is targeted to a creature (you) that has a Spell Turning in effect, the Spell Turning will be be triggered and return the Dispel to it's caster. Because YOU are the target of the Dispel.
b) But, if the Dispel is explicity targeted to the active Spell Turning effect, then the turning will not be triggered. Because the target is not you.

I believe the same same reasonning would apply to a Dispel targeted to an object you carry : as the target is not YOU, the Spell Turning effect is not triggered.

Contradiction welcome :)
Thanks !

[Master of Shadows]

InzemO.On wrote:

That is, I think, a subtile question.

I believe that the answer actually depends on how exactly the Dispel was targeted.
From the spell descriptions :
- Spell Turning : "turns only spells that have *you* as a target"
- Targeted Dispel : "One object, creature, *or spell* is the target of the dispel magic spell"

in consequence:
a) If the Dispel is targeted to a creature (you) that has a Spell Turning in effect, the Spell Turning will be be triggered and return the Dispel to it's caster. Because YOU are the target of the Dispel.
b) But, if the Dispel is explicity targeted to the active Spell Turning effect, then the turning will not be triggered. Because the target is not you.

I believe the same same reasonning would apply to a Dispel targeted to an object you carry : as the target is not YOU, the Spell Turning effect is not triggered.

Contradiction welcome :)
Thanks !

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[Tom Sampson]

I disagree.

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You can also use a targeted dispel to specifically end one spell affecting the target or one spell affecting an area (such as a wall of fire).

If you are dispelling buffs on a character, you have to target the character. Otherwise character targeting would be meaningless. This means spell turning would actually rebound the dispel magic.

Targeting spells with dispel magic means that you are either using Dispel Magic as a counterspell or using it to target a spell affecting an area.

Targeting objects would work since the target is not the character.

Area dispels would also work.

[InzemO.On]

Thanks Tom, this makes a lot of sense.