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Coolio:

Ancient humans, dubbed 'Denisovans', interbred with us

Scientists say an entirely separate type of human identified from bones in Siberia co-existed and interbred with our own species.

The ancient humans have been dubbed "Denisovans" after the caves in Siberia where their remains were found.

There is also evidence that this population was widespread in Eurasia.

Full article linked above. I'm amused by the following statement:

No one knows when or how these humans disappeared but, according to Professor Paabo, it is very likely something to do with modern people because all the "archaic" humans, like Denisovans and Neanderthals disappeared sometime after Homo sapiens sapiens appeared on the scene.

To me, the answer's bloody obvious ;-(


joela wrote:

Coolio:

Ancient humans, dubbed 'Denisovans', interbred with us

Scientists say an entirely separate type of human identified from bones in Siberia co-existed and interbred with our own species.

The ancient humans have been dubbed "Denisovans" after the caves in Siberia where their remains were found.

There is also evidence that this population was widespread in Eurasia.

Full article linked above. I'm amused by the following statement:

No one knows when or how these humans disappeared but, according to Professor Paabo, it is very likely something to do with modern people because all the "archaic" humans, like Denisovans and Neanderthals disappeared sometime after Homo sapiens sapiens appeared on the scene.

To me, the answer's bloody obvious ;-(

Sadly this just reminds me of the awful series finale of BSG. {shakes fist at Moore and Eick}


It might be natural reasons why these species died out, after all. That´s what the scientists think of the Neanderthals as well, IIRC.

Stefan

Grand Lodge

In the natural world, no niche is occupied by more than one species. If another contends for that spot, then the least adept is doomed to extinction.

Silver Crusade

Ambrosia Slaad wrote:
Sadly this just reminds me of the awful series finale of BSG. {shakes fist at Moore and Eick}

Lol I was thinking exactly the same thing.

"There are many copies. And they have a plan."

Only they really don't do they?

Liberty's Edge

FallofCamelot wrote:
Ambrosia Slaad wrote:
Sadly this just reminds me of the awful series finale of BSG. {shakes fist at Moore and Eick}

Lol I was thinking exactly the same thing.

"There are many copies. And they have a plan."

Only they really don't do they?

Yeah, really. What the heck was the plan again?

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Studpuffin wrote:
FallofCamelot wrote:
Ambrosia Slaad wrote:
Sadly this just reminds me of the awful series finale of BSG. {shakes fist at Moore and Eick}

Lol I was thinking exactly the same thing.

"There are many copies. And they have a plan."

Only they really don't do they?

Yeah, really. What the heck was the plan again?

A crappy spin off, using footage shot for the primary series yet unused.


Crimson Jester wrote:
Studpuffin wrote:
FallofCamelot wrote:
Ambrosia Slaad wrote:
Sadly this just reminds me of the awful series finale of BSG. {shakes fist at Moore and Eick}

Lol I was thinking exactly the same thing.

"There are many copies. And they have a plan."

Only they really don't do they?

Yeah, really. What the heck was the plan again?
A crappy spin off, using footage shot for the primary series yet unused.

maybe we will find out what the plan is in caprica..... oh yeah that got canceled

maybe in the new series?


Toddzilla wrote:
Crimson Jester wrote:
Studpuffin wrote:
FallofCamelot wrote:
Ambrosia Slaad wrote:
Sadly this just reminds me of the awful series finale of BSG. {shakes fist at Moore and Eick}

Lol I was thinking exactly the same thing.

"There are many copies. And they have a plan."

Only they really don't do they?

Yeah, really. What the heck was the plan again?
A crappy spin off, using footage shot for the primary series yet unused.

maybe we will find out what the plan is in caprica..... oh yeah that got canceled

maybe in the new series?

Unless Adama wrestles with Cylons, don't get too attached to a SyFy show.

Liberty's Edge

Ambrosia Slaad wrote:
Toddzilla wrote:
Crimson Jester wrote:
Studpuffin wrote:
FallofCamelot wrote:
Ambrosia Slaad wrote:
Sadly this just reminds me of the awful series finale of BSG. {shakes fist at Moore and Eick}

Lol I was thinking exactly the same thing.

"There are many copies. And they have a plan."

Only they really don't do they?

Yeah, really. What the heck was the plan again?
A crappy spin off, using footage shot for the primary series yet unused.

maybe we will find out what the plan is in caprica..... oh yeah that got canceled

maybe in the new series?

Unless Adama wrestles with Cylons, don't get too attached to a SyFy show.

This is way too true. :(


Dog species > human species

Just sayin'.


Ok, make fire.


And singe the hairs on my butt again? No thanks. Go buy a Zippo.


Thumbs are awesome huh


seekerofshadowlight wrote:
Thumbs are awesome huh

Tongues are better. Licks seekerofshadowlight.

Grand Lodge

CourtFool wrote:
And singe the hairs on my butt again?

You were doing it wrong.


CourtFool wrote:

Dog species > human species

Says the species that has not developed a proper language and thus must communicate by licking each others' butts...


We are not threatening one another with thermal nuclear genocide either. Maybe you should try more butt licking.


CourtFool wrote:
We are not threatening one another with thermal nuclear genocide either.

Yeah! You're more wimpy to boot!

Only we are brave enough to be merciless!

On mercy


On Bravery


LazarX wrote:
In the natural world, no niche is occupied by more than one species. If another contends for that spot, then the least adept is doomed to extinction.

That seems like a pretty unlikely statement to me. There is often more then one way to do well in a specific niche and multiple species occupy it.

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

But which species is the most delicious?


Well we are here and the other three seem not to be. So they were.

Liberty's Edge Contributor

seekerofshadowlight wrote:
Well we are here and the other three seem not to be. So they were.

So...it's like all the free samples are gone. We'll never know how delicious they were. Dangit!


Vic Wertz wrote:
But which species is the most delicious?

Not an easy question. All the dog breeds have their distinctive taste, far more than you get with human breeds. Europeans (say, from Norway, to be more precise) and Asians (say, from China, to be precise) might look different, but they taste almost the same.

But the difference between, say, poodle and Kurt Russel Terrier (like Jack Russel Terrier, but has Rattle Snake in it) are huge. Poodle goes a lot better with fava beans, for example, but KRT is perfect for Chianti!


CourtFool wrote:
On Bravery

And that's why Taoists don't rule the world.

Liberty's Edge

Vic Wertz wrote:
But which species is the most delicious?

If you're talking about human species exclusively, obviously we're less delicious than Neanderthals, Denisova, or Hobbits. I think humans are too gamey... that's just speculation mind you. The Puffins would never think about eating too many humans... I mean eating humans...

*gets out salt and pepper*

Grand Lodge

Jeremy Mac Donald wrote:
LazarX wrote:
In the natural world, no niche is occupied by more than one species. If another contends for that spot, then the least adept is doomed to extinction.
That seems like a pretty unlikely statement to me. There is often more then one way to do well in a specific niche and multiple species occupy it.

Not really. what you're confusing is interlinked niches as opposed to identical ones. Case in point an example niche would be a bird evolved to feed off of flower nectar. You'll find that in any given area, only one species of bird does that. You can have specialisations in regard to region and type of flower but when you have more than one on the same flower the one that out reproduces the other will crowd the lesser species from the food source.

Also keep in mind that for the bulk of Human existence it's various species were pretty much animal like in behavior until that great awakening which gave us language.

Grand Lodge

Xabulba wrote:
CourtFool wrote:
On Bravery
And that's why Taoists don't rule the world.

Which is why they're probably happier than the people who do.


TriOmegaZero wrote:
Xabulba wrote:
CourtFool wrote:
On Bravery
And that's why Taoists don't rule the world.
Which is why they're probably happier than the people who do.

Well, who rules the world then?


Stebehil wrote:
TriOmegaZero wrote:
Xabulba wrote:
CourtFool wrote:
On Bravery
And that's why Taoists don't rule the world.
Which is why they're probably happier than the people who do.
Well, who rules the world then?

Sebastian rules the world with an iron hoof.

He is a lawyer after all.

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Xabulba wrote:
Stebehil wrote:
TriOmegaZero wrote:
Xabulba wrote:
CourtFool wrote:
On Bravery
And that's why Taoists don't rule the world.
Which is why they're probably happier than the people who do.
Well, who rules the world then?

Sebastian rules the world with an iron hoof.

He is a lawyer after all.

Shhh don't swell his head. His Mane can't take any more.

Grand Lodge

Stebehil wrote:
TriOmegaZero wrote:
Xabulba wrote:
CourtFool wrote:
On Bravery
And that's why Taoists don't rule the world.
Which is why they're probably happier than the people who do.
Well, who rules the world then?

I don't know! I'm no more enlightened than the next guy here. :)

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TriOmegaZero wrote:
Stebehil wrote:
TriOmegaZero wrote:
Xabulba wrote:
CourtFool wrote:
On Bravery
And that's why Taoists don't rule the world.
Which is why they're probably happier than the people who do.
Well, who rules the world then?
I don't know! I'm no more enlightened than the next guy here. :)

Illuminated.

Grand Lodge

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By which you mean the Illuminati rule the world? Of course, it all makes sense- no wait, it doesn't. :(

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TriOmegaZero wrote:
By which you mean the Illuminati rule the world? Of course, it all makes sense- no wait, it doesn't. :(

Fnord ~ LMAO


LazarX wrote:
Jeremy Mac Donald wrote:
LazarX wrote:
In the natural world, no niche is occupied by more than one species. If another contends for that spot, then the least adept is doomed to extinction.
That seems like a pretty unlikely statement to me. There is often more then one way to do well in a specific niche and multiple species occupy it.

Not really. what you're confusing is interlinked niches as opposed to identical ones. Case in point an example niche would be a bird evolved to feed off of flower nectar. You'll find that in any given area, only one species of bird does that. You can have specialisations in regard to region and type of flower but when you have more than one on the same flower the one that out reproduces the other will crowd the lesser species from the food source.

Also keep in mind that for the bulk of Human existence it's various species were pretty much animal like in behavior until that great awakening which gave us language.

I still don't buy it. Just because a bird feeds off nectar does not mean that there are not insects in the area that do so as well. I agree that if you have two birds of roughly the same size and roughly the same life style and they are both specialized to live of the nectar of the same plant one will eventually out compete the other but that is an extremely specialized and focused niche. Most niches are broader then this and a variety of species can fit in and make a go of it.

If one goes into the jungle there are places where you might find six different species of monkey. All of whom like to eat the fruit from fruit bearing trees and they'll develop different strategies regarding getting the fruit including such variations on how much of their diet is actually composed of the fruit and methods for obtaining some share of the fruit. One species of monkey may be strong and they move in and take the fruit. Another might be fast and agile - they jump in and grab fruit and then run away before the bigger monkeys can defend the fruit etc.

The vagaries of wind and weather, the very forces that drive evolution, are also often the elements that keep the equilibrium from stabilizing with one species obviously filling a niche. The various monkey and their different strategies for gaining some share of the available fruit may well not be able to settle down into a clear winner simply because some years are drought years and monkeys that are especially good at hogging fruit could find their numbers devastated when compared to monkeys that mainly rely on the fruit as a supplement during the boom periods when there is more then enough to go around but are otherwise talented at scrounging up food from other sources as well.

This is not to say that we don't often see one species in a specific niche. If the niche is very reliable that is perfectly possible but much of the time nature is in flux and that flux results in dramatic swings in the equilibrium of some environment making it difficult for any one species to occupy a particular niche.


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Stebehil wrote:
TriOmegaZero wrote:
Xabulba wrote:
CourtFool wrote:
On Bravery
And that's why Taoists don't rule the world.
Which is why they're probably happier than the people who do.
Well, who rules the world then?

Pure anarchy. Not an easy achievement, either. We had to kill two Rulers of the World last week alone.


Stebehil wrote:
Well, who rules the world then?

The meek will get back to you on that.

Grand Lodge

CourtFool wrote:
Stebehil wrote:
Well, who rules the world then?
The meek will get back to you on that.

Right after the strong finish slaughtering them. :)


TriOmegaZero wrote:
Right after the strong finish slaughtering them. :)

Might makes right.

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CourtFool wrote:
TriOmegaZero wrote:
Right after the strong finish slaughtering them. :)
Might makes right.

No two mighty foes kill each other. The meek guy picks clean the remains. he simply has to wait for them to kill each other off.


Kind of like politics.

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CourtFool wrote:
Kind of like politics.

Exactly. Only with politics you have a third option.

Grand Lodge

Jeremy Mac Donald wrote:
If one goes into the jungle there are places where you might find six different species of monkey. All of whom like to eat the fruit from fruit bearing trees and they'll develop different strategies regarding getting the fruit including such variations on how much of their diet is actually composed of the fruit and methods for obtaining some share of the fruit. One species of monkey may be strong and they move in and take the fruit. Another might be fast and agile - they jump in and grab fruit and then run away before the bigger monkeys can defend the fruit etc

If you take a very close look at those species, you'll see that each one is in a particular niche. Mainly that each will be eating food that the other is not. It's also why you have major ecological devastation when Human settlers arrive bringing their animals (and pests) along with them, they introduce a bunch of species into an existing biology and some of them will be better at particular niches. They will crowd out and eventually drive into extinction, the native flora in those cases.


joela wrote:


Scientists say an entirely separate type of human identified from bones in Siberia co-existed and interbred with our own species.

If evolution is true, then why are there still monkeys?


Grand Magus wrote:
joela wrote:


Scientists say an entirely separate type of human identified from bones in Siberia co-existed and interbred with our own species.

If evolution is true, then why are there still monkeys?

Same reason you're posing this question.

Evolution takes a long time to kill obsolete things. Like monkeys. Or really old ideas.

It's like asking "why hasn't the universe reached heat death yet if the 2nd law of thermodynamics is right?" Give it time...


Grand Magus wrote:
joela wrote:


Scientists say an entirely separate type of human identified from bones in Siberia co-existed and interbred with our own species.
If evolution is true, then why are there still monkeys?

Ignoring everything that's wrong with that statement, the short answer is that if you all descended from your grandmother, why do your cousins exist.

Longer answer is in the off topic evolution petrie dish.

Grand Lodge

Hey, I remember this thread! I had some awesome posts in it.

Liberty's Edge

Wow, you guys got trolled SO HARD.

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